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Old 05-26-2012, 10:52 AM   #29
6Rexw51X

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Nomadic, what I really can't understand is how you could call someone like StopS as "brother" even though this person is known to have a youtube-account where he attacks muslims (like brother Hamza Tzortzis) and makes fun of them, but then at the same time you didn't even write a "wa 'alaykum assalam" to your brother in Islam? Yallah, khayr inscha`Allah.

First let me say some words regarding the situation of muslims in Germany:

Most muslims here are orginally from Turkey. As for the older generations among them: They came here to Germany in order to work. They have no real knowledge regarding Islam (i.e. "cultural muslims") and this becomes pretty clear when you see that their children have no idea about Islam and most of their children have no Adab and no Akhlaq at all.

The "muslim" youngsters here are in terrible state! Most youngsters commit Zina on a regular basis (my estimation: more than 90%), they dring alcohol, go to the disco and they do all kind of wrong things!

In 2005 the brother Pierre Vogel / Abu Hamzah (a german convert to Islam) began to make Da'wah to Islam by making Youtube-Videos in German language. Also other brothers started making Da'wah (like the brothers from "DieWahreReligion") and alhamdulillah it had a good effect on a part of the youngsters and people started to make Tawbah and to return to Islam. And not just that: Many people also started to convert to Islam.

Now ponder upon this point: There are mosques and "islamic" organizations here in Germany since many many years! But when we look whether that had any positive effects, we don't find anything positive! We see people who don't take their religion serious and we see youngsters, who have no idea about this beautiful religion!
And then some brothers started making Da'wah by making Videos and suddenly many muslim youngsters started returning to Islam and people even started to convert to Islam!!
So what does this mean?: These mosques and "islamic" organization existed all the years, but they did absolutely nothing!
They did not teach the people how to fear Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala! They did not teach them the importance of this Din and the importance of believing in Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala with your whole heart!
Subhanallah, one really asks oneself what they were doing all these years??

So, if you (Nomadic) want to tell me how evil Salafis are, then this simply does not reflect the reality!! Rather here in Germany no one makes Da'wah except the "evil Salafis".

If you mean, they can set up some masjed and insttitue or even so call relegious TV channel on the back of petrodollar hand out, then perhaps their role model is christian missionaries known for manipulation.
I'm not talking about setting up some masjid, but I'm speaking about making Da'wah.
As for your claim that their role model is christian missioniries known for manipulation, then I say:
So saying the following to the people is manupulating them as the chrisitian missioniaries do?: Telling them that there is one true God, who created the heavens and the earth and what is in between them and that He's the One who created us, and gave us the this life and therefore we should be grateful towards him and worship Him alone and live our lives as he ordered us.

Salf don't exist but lamadhabist religious neo fascist exist.
Please define what you mean by "lamadhabist"! Is someone who believes in Taqlid mutlaq, but not in Taqlid Shaykhsi a "lamadhabist"? I hope not, because otherwise the Hanabilah would be "lamadhabists", because they did not believe in the obligation of Taqlid Shakhsi!
According to the Hanabilah a layperson has no Madhab and he can ask any truthful scholar (i.e. Talid Mutlaq).
And the majority of the scholars did also not believe in Taqlid Shakhsi being obligatory!

It is better to stay unmarried if you are a sister then marry a mutah practicing Lamadhabist missogonist thugs.
This a well know thing among Madkhalis!
But a normal muslim (whether Salafi or something else) would not do such a thing!

petrodollar
The good old "petrodollar"-argument is such a worthless argument!

Since you're mentioning the "lamadhabists" all the time, maybe you could tell us why Barelwis are committing Shirk day and night even though they're not "lamadhabists"?

Here in Germany there is website, which claims to follow "traditional Islam" and this website has nothing better to do than to attack the "evil Wahhabis", because the "evil Wahhabis" say that one shouldn't call upon other than Allah ta'ala!
And these Zanadiqah accuse the "evil Wahhabis" of being "Ghayr-Muqallidun", because they claim that all 4 Madhahib have allowed the Shirkiyyat and the Bida' they're committing (which of course is a false claim)!!

So committing Shirk has become "traditional Islam"?

If you tell them to stop calling upon other than Allah ta'ala and explaining it to them, they answer by saying "You're sponsered by petrodollars...".

(The response to the claims of StopS will follow insha`Allah.)
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