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**neictscek** · 06-30-2012, 03:48 AM

My apologise, im quite the idiot, but i know the answer my self yet, if someone was to question me, i would freeze like a deer before a car hits it, hence i would like some infor about the deoband ulema and apparently their rigidness according to Sheikh Ali Karaki. They only way that would be proved is to show how masterful they were at sufism. Would someoen give sample of that ? and also an answer to the op question

I have heard it said that the Hanafi mathab developed within the context of government support, even when the government was not very Islamic, the surrounding society was closer to fitra, riba and such things were not as widespread as they are today. Therefore people who follow the Hanafi mathab today still act as if the world is the same as it was hundreds of years ago and they tend to view the deen as more a individual and personal deen, and the government and other such things can be left to run as they are (secularism). This is why Hanafi ulama rarely if ever talk about the government and making it Islamic, and they give fatwas that allow the governments to continue to function as they are. They think governments and other non Islamic policies will only change in the future somehow when individuals rectify themselves and their numbers grow to some critical mass. Meanwhile we must just obey the current government, use their fiat or paper currency and not try to replace it with our own halal alternatives.

Also the so called puritanism manifests itself in a strict interpretation of the personal or individuals practice of Islam, they must have full beards, full face hijabs, no music, no films, weddings must be very simple and segregated, no photos or videos must be taken and at the same time one must not take riba loans or mortgages out....but we must obey all other Capitalist rules of business and the governments...somehow when many millions of people behave in this way Islam will become established and the government will change. I just do not see how this will change the government if no one even knows what a halal economy is supposed to look like and everyone including most of the ulama think that fiat currency, fractional reserve banking and central banks are normal. At least the Malikis in my opinion bring some workable alternatives when compared to the Hanafis.

06-30-2012, 03:48 AM	#5
neictscek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 433 Senior Member	My apologise, im quite the idiot, but i know the answer my self yet, if someone was to question me, i would freeze like a deer before a car hits it, hence i would like some infor about the deoband ulema and apparently their rigidness according to Sheikh Ali Karaki. They only way that would be proved is to show how masterful they were at sufism. Would someoen give sample of that ? and also an answer to the op question I have heard it said that the Hanafi mathab developed within the context of government support, even when the government was not very Islamic, the surrounding society was closer to fitra, riba and such things were not as widespread as they are today. Therefore people who follow the Hanafi mathab today still act as if the world is the same as it was hundreds of years ago and they tend to view the deen as more a individual and personal deen, and the government and other such things can be left to run as they are (secularism). This is why Hanafi ulama rarely if ever talk about the government and making it Islamic, and they give fatwas that allow the governments to continue to function as they are. They think governments and other non Islamic policies will only change in the future somehow when individuals rectify themselves and their numbers grow to some critical mass. Meanwhile we must just obey the current government, use their fiat or paper currency and not try to replace it with our own halal alternatives. Also the so called puritanism manifests itself in a strict interpretation of the personal or individuals practice of Islam, they must have full beards, full face hijabs, no music, no films, weddings must be very simple and segregated, no photos or videos must be taken and at the same time one must not take riba loans or mortgages out....but we must obey all other Capitalist rules of business and the governments...somehow when many millions of people behave in this way Islam will become established and the government will change. I just do not see how this will change the government if no one even knows what a halal economy is supposed to look like and everyone including most of the ulama think that fiat currency, fractional reserve banking and central banks are normal. At least the Malikis in my opinion bring some workable alternatives when compared to the Hanafis.
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