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**FUNALA** · 07-01-2012, 06:39 AM

No I have not read any of these manifestos, however I have studied under Deobandies all my life where I live in the UK and I have never heard them mention anything about Islamic rule and how we might be able to take some steps as a jamma to make it happen. The Alim I listen to always says you are a 6 foot tall man, make the shariah apply to your own body before you try to talk about khilafa etc. Banks are never criticised, riba is hardly ever mentioned. Secularism means religion is a private affair for individuals to follow if they wish, it has nothing to do with the way a country should be run. And the type of religion followed by the hanafis I know is perfect for this secularism.

I mean do any of the hanafis have fiqh rules of how Muslims might live in the world without a riba banking system? How we might be able to have a working alternative? As far as I know they do not, and most of their fatwas just make Islam fit in and work within the dominant capitalist system...not replace it.

1) Would you prefer they were at war in a foreign secular state where they, aswell as other muslims, have generally been given freedom and protection to practice the key aspects of their Deen (except hudood)? There are other ways of having influence in the financial sphere - Dawah on Ethical business practice (Inline with Islam), devising clever solutions to such issues as Mortgages agreements (localised Islamic mortgage syndicates) - They are actually happening now, Inshallah they will gain more prominence in the future.

2) I cannot say I know, but was there a non-Ribba system for the first few hundred years of Islam - wherein the Hanafi madhab grew??? Therein lies the beginning of a more detailed answer. I'm sure Imam Abu Hanifa, Abu Yusuf, Muhammad, Zufr were not practicing in a Ribba-laden economic state - so whatever they were developing out of that pure system could (possibly) be followed-up upon? There methodology in finance and trading could be followed?

Hanafi's are 'apolitical'? They have been extremely involved in politics where they have gained sufficient resources and influence. Not so in the UK, but that will change in time IA. The weight of making these changes rests with all muslims - especially the ones who hold the most influence in these areas (monetary system and economics).

Allahu A'lam

07-01-2012, 06:39 AM	#25
FUNALA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	No I have not read any of these manifestos, however I have studied under Deobandies all my life where I live in the UK and I have never heard them mention anything about Islamic rule and how we might be able to take some steps as a jamma to make it happen. The Alim I listen to always says you are a 6 foot tall man, make the shariah apply to your own body before you try to talk about khilafa etc. Banks are never criticised, riba is hardly ever mentioned. Secularism means religion is a private affair for individuals to follow if they wish, it has nothing to do with the way a country should be run. And the type of religion followed by the hanafis I know is perfect for this secularism. I mean do any of the hanafis have fiqh rules of how Muslims might live in the world without a riba banking system? How we might be able to have a working alternative? As far as I know they do not, and most of their fatwas just make Islam fit in and work within the dominant capitalist system...not replace it. 1) Would you prefer they were at war in a foreign secular state where they, aswell as other muslims, have generally been given freedom and protection to practice the key aspects of their Deen (except hudood)? There are other ways of having influence in the financial sphere - Dawah on Ethical business practice (Inline with Islam), devising clever solutions to such issues as Mortgages agreements (localised Islamic mortgage syndicates) - They are actually happening now, Inshallah they will gain more prominence in the future. 2) I cannot say I know, but was there a non-Ribba system for the first few hundred years of Islam - wherein the Hanafi madhab grew??? Therein lies the beginning of a more detailed answer. I'm sure Imam Abu Hanifa, Abu Yusuf, Muhammad, Zufr were not practicing in a Ribba-laden economic state - so whatever they were developing out of that pure system could (possibly) be followed-up upon? There methodology in finance and trading could be followed? Hanafi's are 'apolitical'? They have been extremely involved in politics where they have gained sufficient resources and influence. Not so in the UK, but that will change in time IA. The weight of making these changes rests with all muslims - especially the ones who hold the most influence in these areas (monetary system and economics). Allahu A'lam
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