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**KuznehikVasaN** · 07-01-2012, 07:47 AM

No its not valid or viable. ITs heretical as he pointed out at least the fact that he doesnot believe Allah's pre-determination is absolute. Allah made Kharijites kill Ali r.a and Allah decreed 9/11. There is good in everything which happens to the Ummah. Ahlus Sunnah Muslims are perfectly comfortable in saying Allah creates evil. Allah gives cancer, AIDS, heartattacks, poverty and makes wars and bombs fall on our heads. Everything is predetermined is a basic Ahlus Sunnah belief. WE are not to question Allah's awareness or execution of destiny retrospectively. If he is saying that 9/11 happened out of the will of Allah that is completely heretical. WE have a clear well defined paradox in our belief which we as Ahlus Sunnah accept and thus despite believing that Allah does everything the believer does not cease to engage his nafs to change everything according to Islam's ethical and moral value system.

Everything is pre-determined by the Will of Allah indeed (please bear this premise in mind if you continue to read) but if Cancer is caused by man made pollutants, by Allahs free will to mankind, can you say Allah gives cancer ? Isnt that heretical, IF the premise is true?

If AIDS was introduced through artificially in a man made lab, can you say Allah gives Aids ?

If heart attacks are due to stress at home, work, bad diets, clogged arteries, can you say Allah gives heart attacks.?

If poverty is caused by a war imposed on a people, can we say Allah gives poverty ?

I think your definitions of "evil" and "destiny" are skewed.

When you say Allahs pre-determination is absolute, are you saying therefore free will is not a human attribute, absolute implies no free will ?

Allahs pre-determination in human affairs is relative, while the pre-determination in the Universe is still absolute?

Ahlus Sunnah Muslims are perfectly comfortable in saying Allah creates evil. I think evil is just lack of goodness. Allah creates all the good, and evil is the result of mankinds gift of free will, and its misuse of that gift in lack of acting on the goodness.

Its like darkness, there is no such thing, its just an absence of light. Allah didnt create darkness, just places where light doesnt pass. Similarly Allah didnt create evil, just this is a result of misusing free will.

There would be no evil if there were no disobedient mankind or jinns.

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KuznehikVasaN Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	No its not valid or viable. ITs heretical as he pointed out at least the fact that he doesnot believe Allah's pre-determination is absolute. Allah made Kharijites kill Ali r.a and Allah decreed 9/11. There is good in everything which happens to the Ummah. Ahlus Sunnah Muslims are perfectly comfortable in saying Allah creates evil. Allah gives cancer, AIDS, heartattacks, poverty and makes wars and bombs fall on our heads. Everything is predetermined is a basic Ahlus Sunnah belief. WE are not to question Allah's awareness or execution of destiny retrospectively. If he is saying that 9/11 happened out of the will of Allah that is completely heretical. WE have a clear well defined paradox in our belief which we as Ahlus Sunnah accept and thus despite believing that Allah does everything the believer does not cease to engage his nafs to change everything according to Islam's ethical and moral value system. Everything is pre-determined by the Will of Allah indeed (please bear this premise in mind if you continue to read) but if Cancer is caused by man made pollutants, by Allahs free will to mankind, can you say Allah gives cancer ? Isnt that heretical, IF the premise is true? If AIDS was introduced through artificially in a man made lab, can you say Allah gives Aids ? If heart attacks are due to stress at home, work, bad diets, clogged arteries, can you say Allah gives heart attacks.? If poverty is caused by a war imposed on a people, can we say Allah gives poverty ? I think your definitions of "evil" and "destiny" are skewed. When you say Allahs pre-determination is absolute, are you saying therefore free will is not a human attribute, absolute implies no free will ? Allahs pre-determination in human affairs is relative, while the pre-determination in the Universe is still absolute? Ahlus Sunnah Muslims are perfectly comfortable in saying Allah creates evil. I think evil is just lack of goodness. Allah creates all the good, and evil is the result of mankinds gift of free will, and its misuse of that gift in lack of acting on the goodness. Its like darkness, there is no such thing, its just an absence of light. Allah didnt create darkness, just places where light doesnt pass. Similarly Allah didnt create evil, just this is a result of misusing free will. There would be no evil if there were no disobedient mankind or jinns.
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