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**lisualsethelp** · 06-19-2012, 06:07 PM

Bearing in mind that overthrowing governments and implementing shariah will only get you massacred by america

The short answer is: Shall we fear America more than we love and fear Allah?

There is NO GOD but ALLAH.

Egypt's political arena has banned 'religious' parties- shouldn't the Egyptian ruling establishment fear Allah, as He AWJ specified the standard for all groups in a Muslim society:

Translated from the Holy Quran: (3:104) And from among you there must be a party who invite people to all that is good and enjoin the doing of all that is right and forbid the doing of all that is wrong. It is they who will attain true success.
Ultimately, the objective of the believer is to propagate the message of Islam, advocating Islam and Shariah in a clear constructive, intellectual manner is the course.

what do you guys suggets as an alternative then? As for the alternative, the alternative is directly tied to the ability to stand for something greater than oneself, greater than a ethnic and national construct, greater than Man's base motives.

If the Islamic movements of Egypt represented this, this would open the door to many more possibilities.
For example, Egypt is a nation state formed according to the Taghut's ethno nationalist world order. Islam defies that order. By representing more than just a nationalist construct, Egypt could propagate the cause of joining with neighboring Muslim provinces in Libya and Sudan, to start. Together, they could form a singular state. So transcending the nationalist construct would be a priority, and welcoming Libyan and Sudanese forces woudl be a start.

As well, under Mubarak, Egypt has become subservient to foreign economies by transforming much of its economy as a niche of the global economy dominated by America. This has ended the effort of Egypt to seek self sufficiency as an economic goal. Instead of growing crops like cotton which serve the textile interests of American companies, Egypt would need to make changes towards self sustaining crops, like wheat. Thus, not only must the economic model change from a niche based, liberal capitalist model to an Islamic model, but self sufficiency must be a major long term objective, and the people must be made aware of this for it would take sacrifice and hardship to do so.

Another problem which has existed since precolonial era is the lack of strategic planning for the state/wilaya of the region. As kufar powers excelled at naval capacity, it was in the interest of Muslim regions to remove their capital cities from naval access. Cairo is the capital of Egypt and has been for centuries, but it is not defensible from a naval assault. Napoleon landed his forces at Alexandria and marched forth to Cairo with a naval fleet floating up the Nile. the battle at Giza ended the defense of Egypt within only a few days of Napoleon landing, ending Muslim control and the rule of Islam in Egypt. And that was July 1798. [Need less to say, the British soon defeated the French naval fleet, establishing British naval dominion and thus military authority over Egypt]

There were multiple reasons for the defeat of Muslim forces in Egypt in July 1798, including having a society which depended on and were subservient to an elite military force, Mamluks, rather than a society which was itself entirely prepared to wage war.
Today, not much has changed. It's capital is still Cairo and it is dependent upon and subservient to an elite military force, but in this case the force is controlled by foreign powers. the same societcal dynamic is present which has made EGypt succumb to foreign occupation and control.

And many who visit Cairo can tell you, its a city which is overburdened by its size- 10 million. It has outgrown itself. Like many of such Muslim capital cities, like Algiers, one of the ways of alleviating this would be to move the capital. Egypt doesn't have many natural defenses. However, many of its southern oases like al Kharijah (al Kharg) are sustainable cities with natural resources. The general idea is to remove the capital from the intransigence, complacency, greed which has festered for generations. And with a new state with a new principle, a new capital would be consistent. Al Kharijah in the southcentral of Egypt is 300 kms inland from Luxor, 600 kms from Cairo, and over 300 kms from Aswan, with its own crops and a 100,000 population, would present a new regional dynamic.

06-19-2012, 06:07 PM	#9
lisualsethelp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 462 Senior Member	Bearing in mind that overthrowing governments and implementing shariah will only get you massacred by america The short answer is: Shall we fear America more than we love and fear Allah? There is NO GOD but ALLAH. Egypt's political arena has banned 'religious' parties- shouldn't the Egyptian ruling establishment fear Allah, as He AWJ specified the standard for all groups in a Muslim society: Translated from the Holy Quran: (3:104) And from among you there must be a party who invite people to all that is good and enjoin the doing of all that is right and forbid the doing of all that is wrong. It is they who will attain true success. Ultimately, the objective of the believer is to propagate the message of Islam, advocating Islam and Shariah in a clear constructive, intellectual manner is the course. what do you guys suggets as an alternative then? As for the alternative, the alternative is directly tied to the ability to stand for something greater than oneself, greater than a ethnic and national construct, greater than Man's base motives. If the Islamic movements of Egypt represented this, this would open the door to many more possibilities. For example, Egypt is a nation state formed according to the Taghut's ethno nationalist world order. Islam defies that order. By representing more than just a nationalist construct, Egypt could propagate the cause of joining with neighboring Muslim provinces in Libya and Sudan, to start. Together, they could form a singular state. So transcending the nationalist construct would be a priority, and welcoming Libyan and Sudanese forces woudl be a start. As well, under Mubarak, Egypt has become subservient to foreign economies by transforming much of its economy as a niche of the global economy dominated by America. This has ended the effort of Egypt to seek self sufficiency as an economic goal. Instead of growing crops like cotton which serve the textile interests of American companies, Egypt would need to make changes towards self sustaining crops, like wheat. Thus, not only must the economic model change from a niche based, liberal capitalist model to an Islamic model, but self sufficiency must be a major long term objective, and the people must be made aware of this for it would take sacrifice and hardship to do so. Another problem which has existed since precolonial era is the lack of strategic planning for the state/wilaya of the region. As kufar powers excelled at naval capacity, it was in the interest of Muslim regions to remove their capital cities from naval access. Cairo is the capital of Egypt and has been for centuries, but it is not defensible from a naval assault. Napoleon landed his forces at Alexandria and marched forth to Cairo with a naval fleet floating up the Nile. the battle at Giza ended the defense of Egypt within only a few days of Napoleon landing, ending Muslim control and the rule of Islam in Egypt. And that was July 1798. [Need less to say, the British soon defeated the French naval fleet, establishing British naval dominion and thus military authority over Egypt] There were multiple reasons for the defeat of Muslim forces in Egypt in July 1798, including having a society which depended on and were subservient to an elite military force, Mamluks, rather than a society which was itself entirely prepared to wage war. Today, not much has changed. It's capital is still Cairo and it is dependent upon and subservient to an elite military force, but in this case the force is controlled by foreign powers. the same societcal dynamic is present which has made EGypt succumb to foreign occupation and control. And many who visit Cairo can tell you, its a city which is overburdened by its size- 10 million. It has outgrown itself. Like many of such Muslim capital cities, like Algiers, one of the ways of alleviating this would be to move the capital. Egypt doesn't have many natural defenses. However, many of its southern oases like al Kharijah (al Kharg) are sustainable cities with natural resources. The general idea is to remove the capital from the intransigence, complacency, greed which has festered for generations. And with a new state with a new principle, a new capital would be consistent. Al Kharijah in the southcentral of Egypt is 300 kms inland from Luxor, 600 kms from Cairo, and over 300 kms from Aswan, with its own crops and a 100,000 population, would present a new regional dynamic.
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