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**Ijkavylo** · 06-24-2012, 08:21 AM

Brother, I think I understand your previous post about Rand corp now.

I don't want to be confrontational with you, as you seem to want to defend the MB.
I am criticizing their 'approach', their methodology.

It is NOT consistent with the Sunnah of the Prophet (saaw) or the Dawah of the Prophets (as).
Nor is it reasonable in its consideration of the political history and political reality of the enemies of Islam.

As we only have this moment in time to serve Allah and establish HIS DEEN, and instability in various regimes like Egypt is a momentary event, it is MOST important for Muslims to: be aware of our political history, our political situation, know what the Shariah says about 'democracy', gradualism, adhering to Taghut rules and obeying Taghut power, etc. It is possible the Muslim Ummah can act effectively.

As for measuring what is achieved by an Islamic party, it is important to know what that party calls for- what is its mission and long term objectives, how they expect to accomplish them, and whether these are consistent with Islam.

As far as I know, HT's long term objectives of a khilafah are definitely consistent with Islam. And as they have NOT espoused democracy, or obeying Taghut, these too are consistent with Islam. I don't know about their achievements, obviously the khilafah has yet to be established, but then there are a lot of people against the khilafah.

It is my concern that PUTTING TRUST AND FAITH IN DEMOCRACY MISGUIDES MUSLIMS AND DISTRACTS THEM FROM ESTABLISHING ISLAM, THE ISLAMIC STATE, AND THE KHILAFAH.

Abdul1234, do you agree with this concern? If not, what is wrong with it?

MB functions on popularism, unfortunately most Arabs have been brainwashed into aspiring to Democracy, therefore it is necessary for them to pander to this aspiration. But if you really think that they put their faith in Democracy then I think you are missing something.

Their faith is Islam, Democracy is just a means to an end for them. They have tried various approaches in different countries in the past (including armed insurrection) and found little success with them, a policy of Democracy is the approach they are trying now, if it fails and is proven not to work you can be sure that InshaAllah they will move to another approach.

06-24-2012, 08:21 AM	#19
Ijkavylo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	Brother, I think I understand your previous post about Rand corp now. I don't want to be confrontational with you, as you seem to want to defend the MB. I am criticizing their 'approach', their methodology. It is NOT consistent with the Sunnah of the Prophet (saaw) or the Dawah of the Prophets (as). Nor is it reasonable in its consideration of the political history and political reality of the enemies of Islam. As we only have this moment in time to serve Allah and establish HIS DEEN, and instability in various regimes like Egypt is a momentary event, it is MOST important for Muslims to: be aware of our political history, our political situation, know what the Shariah says about 'democracy', gradualism, adhering to Taghut rules and obeying Taghut power, etc. It is possible the Muslim Ummah can act effectively. As for measuring what is achieved by an Islamic party, it is important to know what that party calls for- what is its mission and long term objectives, how they expect to accomplish them, and whether these are consistent with Islam. As far as I know, HT's long term objectives of a khilafah are definitely consistent with Islam. And as they have NOT espoused democracy, or obeying Taghut, these too are consistent with Islam. I don't know about their achievements, obviously the khilafah has yet to be established, but then there are a lot of people against the khilafah. It is my concern that PUTTING TRUST AND FAITH IN DEMOCRACY MISGUIDES MUSLIMS AND DISTRACTS THEM FROM ESTABLISHING ISLAM, THE ISLAMIC STATE, AND THE KHILAFAH. Abdul1234, do you agree with this concern? If not, what is wrong with it? MB functions on popularism, unfortunately most Arabs have been brainwashed into aspiring to Democracy, therefore it is necessary for them to pander to this aspiration. But if you really think that they put their faith in Democracy then I think you are missing something. Their faith is Islam, Democracy is just a means to an end for them. They have tried various approaches in different countries in the past (including armed insurrection) and found little success with them, a policy of Democracy is the approach they are trying now, if it fails and is proven not to work you can be sure that InshaAllah they will move to another approach.
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