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**DrKirkNoliss** · 06-28-2012, 11:47 PM

Salaams. A question for the saudi hater/turkey lovers.

Don't you think that these two actually seem to be pretty strong allies to each other?

Wouldn't you in fact be criticising one of the nations which turkey has deemed to be a force for good and an ally in the world?

Turkey isnt shy to oppose nations that they dislike:

Salams. The problem with your thinking brother is that you cant accept criticism of Saudia it seems. Are you an indigenous or nationalistic SAudi citizen living abroad? No one hates saudia. We just critique some of its aspects. Hate is associated with malicious feelings, praying for ill on it. I am sure no one on this beautiful forum does that so dont get overly sensitive and defensive. Also no one says that Turkey hates saudia as far as I know. Maybe I missed some posts.

Regarding your other points, Turkey also has been developing great relations with non-Muslim countries. Its a globalized world and countries participate in partnerships. Moreover it also works with Israel jointly on many issues and relations are relatively ok as far as I know they are not terribly bad. They also allied with other non-Muslim nations and even recently Turks are doing immense goodwork in east africa. So Turks are generally a very pro-active on the ground people no matter what ills they might have.

Arabs always have viewed Turks with suspicion and have always thought they are better than them but the Turks have continued to surprise the Arbas and the rest of the world. They ruled the Muslims for 500 recent years and now anyone can see that the way things are progressing Turkey will end up leading the Muslim world again this century with the increasing religious sentiment in Turkey and with most Muslim countries seeing Turkey as an older brother. PAkistanis in particular as far as I know have immensely cordial relationships with Turks and I have seen pakistani and turkish comments on youtube especially always rejoicing about the great brotherhood between the two countries. Iran respects Turkey. Malaysia, indonesia sees great examples in Turkey.

To be honest I dont see saudis or saudia are any better than any other Muslim country like bangladesh or bengalis, Iraq and Iraqis, somalia and somalis, sudan and sudanis, afghanistan or pathans e.t.c. Thats why I dont know why you are comparing Saudia and Turkey. If malaysia and Turks are competing against one another thats fair comparison. The only reason people research saudia is that the holy cities of makkah and medina are there and its the land where Islam originated and initially strenghtened itself. In some of the earlier thread I stated saudia has good things like they are a charitable nation and do the hajj pretty well. I retract my later statement. I just read about how expensive hajj is for people and I read an article on hajj in majlis and felt sick.

http://www.themajlis.co.za/index.php...cles&Itemid=27

Different people have different reasons to critique saudia. I for one dont like how saudia is sometime presented as the most oppressive nation. In a recent ranking of 20 countries actually saudia did pretty well and was ranked 4th last for rights of women and India was last. So people got surprised in the west especially that saudia was not last. So we can see some improvement inshAllah.
SAudia is actually on the right track having a great king on the throne. But the ideology of repression of other groups, rights of women and what makes me parcticularly worried is an inherent superiority or prestige which Najdi Ulema or its supporters think they hold. That article on hajj is just nauseating and the way a previous user told that a family of four has to pay 30,000$ to go to Hajj is just plain wrong. Other than that saudia is doing good developing cities, granting education rights to women, developing infrastructure and King Abdullah I think is a very good man personally. I really like him. And no one can deny that saudia is charitable no matter how much they critique there other wrongs. O k bro, just relax - we are all trying to give our perspective on Muslim nations and how they can improve.

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DrKirkNoliss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	Salaams. A question for the saudi hater/turkey lovers. Don't you think that these two actually seem to be pretty strong allies to each other? Wouldn't you in fact be criticising one of the nations which turkey has deemed to be a force for good and an ally in the world? Turkey isnt shy to oppose nations that they dislike: Salams. The problem with your thinking brother is that you cant accept criticism of Saudia it seems. Are you an indigenous or nationalistic SAudi citizen living abroad? No one hates saudia. We just critique some of its aspects. Hate is associated with malicious feelings, praying for ill on it. I am sure no one on this beautiful forum does that so dont get overly sensitive and defensive. Also no one says that Turkey hates saudia as far as I know. Maybe I missed some posts. Regarding your other points, Turkey also has been developing great relations with non-Muslim countries. Its a globalized world and countries participate in partnerships. Moreover it also works with Israel jointly on many issues and relations are relatively ok as far as I know they are not terribly bad. They also allied with other non-Muslim nations and even recently Turks are doing immense goodwork in east africa. So Turks are generally a very pro-active on the ground people no matter what ills they might have. Arabs always have viewed Turks with suspicion and have always thought they are better than them but the Turks have continued to surprise the Arbas and the rest of the world. They ruled the Muslims for 500 recent years and now anyone can see that the way things are progressing Turkey will end up leading the Muslim world again this century with the increasing religious sentiment in Turkey and with most Muslim countries seeing Turkey as an older brother. PAkistanis in particular as far as I know have immensely cordial relationships with Turks and I have seen pakistani and turkish comments on youtube especially always rejoicing about the great brotherhood between the two countries. Iran respects Turkey. Malaysia, indonesia sees great examples in Turkey. To be honest I dont see saudis or saudia are any better than any other Muslim country like bangladesh or bengalis, Iraq and Iraqis, somalia and somalis, sudan and sudanis, afghanistan or pathans e.t.c. Thats why I dont know why you are comparing Saudia and Turkey. If malaysia and Turks are competing against one another thats fair comparison. The only reason people research saudia is that the holy cities of makkah and medina are there and its the land where Islam originated and initially strenghtened itself. In some of the earlier thread I stated saudia has good things like they are a charitable nation and do the hajj pretty well. I retract my later statement. I just read about how expensive hajj is for people and I read an article on hajj in majlis and felt sick. http://www.themajlis.co.za/index.php...cles&Itemid=27 Different people have different reasons to critique saudia. I for one dont like how saudia is sometime presented as the most oppressive nation. In a recent ranking of 20 countries actually saudia did pretty well and was ranked 4th last for rights of women and India was last. So people got surprised in the west especially that saudia was not last. So we can see some improvement inshAllah. SAudia is actually on the right track having a great king on the throne. But the ideology of repression of other groups, rights of women and what makes me parcticularly worried is an inherent superiority or prestige which Najdi Ulema or its supporters think they hold. That article on hajj is just nauseating and the way a previous user told that a family of four has to pay 30,000$ to go to Hajj is just plain wrong. Other than that saudia is doing good developing cities, granting education rights to women, developing infrastructure and King Abdullah I think is a very good man personally. I really like him. And no one can deny that saudia is charitable no matter how much they critique there other wrongs. O k bro, just relax - we are all trying to give our perspective on Muslim nations and how they can improve.
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