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**bloriMal** · 06-29-2012, 12:16 AM

but brother mubakr my question is 1) is it permissable to critique muslim rulers and 2) which scholars have preceeded you in this?

Read this article first bro and accept that there are some major flaws. From the speed of your reply it seems you didnt read the article

http://www.themajlis.co.za/index.php...cles&Itemid=27

I support the Arab spring. I support Imam hussayn on the incident of Kerbala. I support Imam Hanbal against his khalif. There are innumerable examples of scholars themselves rebelling against rulers. Scholars against gaddafi, saddam, mubarak e.t.c. Islam is so varied and hetereogenous that one group can always claim it is following Islam and the rebelling group say no. In that sense your question has no sense. The saudi ruling monarchy seems to be democratic to me in that the SAudis like their rulers so who am I as an outsider to say Saudi rulers should be evicted. I am rubbish talk only then if I am arguing against a democratic aspiration of saudis. However more importantly Najdi ulema in my opinion have been the most sectarian ulema I have every experienced in Islamic history and their fatawas occassionally really push the buzzer. I have not seen one muslim group spared from their criticism and now the disease of sectarianism itself is universal in all factions. All groups now criticize other Muslim groups. Other than Harun Yahya group I dont see any group which avoids criticism of other Islamic groups. Harun Yahya is the only Muslim scholar who has not said anything harshly about wahhabis or shias.

06-29-2012, 12:16 AM	#9
bloriMal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 416 Senior Member	but brother mubakr my question is 1) is it permissable to critique muslim rulers and 2) which scholars have preceeded you in this? Read this article first bro and accept that there are some major flaws. From the speed of your reply it seems you didnt read the article http://www.themajlis.co.za/index.php...cles&Itemid=27 I support the Arab spring. I support Imam hussayn on the incident of Kerbala. I support Imam Hanbal against his khalif. There are innumerable examples of scholars themselves rebelling against rulers. Scholars against gaddafi, saddam, mubarak e.t.c. Islam is so varied and hetereogenous that one group can always claim it is following Islam and the rebelling group say no. In that sense your question has no sense. The saudi ruling monarchy seems to be democratic to me in that the SAudis like their rulers so who am I as an outsider to say Saudi rulers should be evicted. I am rubbish talk only then if I am arguing against a democratic aspiration of saudis. However more importantly Najdi ulema in my opinion have been the most sectarian ulema I have every experienced in Islamic history and their fatawas occassionally really push the buzzer. I have not seen one muslim group spared from their criticism and now the disease of sectarianism itself is universal in all factions. All groups now criticize other Muslim groups. Other than Harun Yahya group I dont see any group which avoids criticism of other Islamic groups. Harun Yahya is the only Muslim scholar who has not said anything harshly about wahhabis or shias.
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