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**BGThomasis** · 06-30-2012, 04:15 AM

i started a thread on the same subject wanted to know about the deobandi stance unfortunately it got derailed by emotional outbursts.

also here is an explicit hadeeth:

Hadith - Reported by Ahmad (3/403) and Ibn Abee 'Aasim (2/521) with a saheeh isnaad.

It is authentically reported from the Messenger in the hadeeth of 'Iyaad ibn Ghunum who said, "The Messenger of Allaah (saaws) said, 'Whoever desires to advise the one with authority then he should not do so openly, rather he should take him by the hand and take him into seclusion (and then advise him). And if he accepts (the advice) from him then (he has achieved his objective) and if not, then he has fulfilled that which was a duty upon him.' "

Can you see now why i object to brothers criticising saudi or ANY other MUSLIM ruler regardless of sectarian differences. I am trying to followthe sunnah or the prophet SAW. How many who criticise saudi are following emotion and desires and how many are speaking from evidence and advice from the ulema?

06-30-2012, 04:15 AM	#28
BGThomasis Join Date Oct 2005 Location United Kingdom Posts 420 Senior Member	i started a thread on the same subject wanted to know about the deobandi stance unfortunately it got derailed by emotional outbursts. also here is an explicit hadeeth: Hadith - Reported by Ahmad (3/403) and Ibn Abee 'Aasim (2/521) with a saheeh isnaad. It is authentically reported from the Messenger in the hadeeth of 'Iyaad ibn Ghunum who said, "The Messenger of Allaah (saaws) said, 'Whoever desires to advise the one with authority then he should not do so openly, rather he should take him by the hand and take him into seclusion (and then advise him). And if he accepts (the advice) from him then (he has achieved his objective) and if not, then he has fulfilled that which was a duty upon him.' " Can you see now why i object to brothers criticising saudi or ANY other MUSLIM ruler regardless of sectarian differences. I am trying to followthe sunnah or the prophet SAW. How many who criticise saudi are following emotion and desires and how many are speaking from evidence and advice from the ulema?
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