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**gennickhif** · 06-23-2012, 04:49 PM

Salam,

Exactly, and do you know that many Muslims in Egypt voted against the Islamic government? somewhere around 48 to 51% of the voters voted against Islam, they voted for the old regime actually so there's a big chance the entire revolution is lost.

What is it that we need to do? we know for a fact that we are capable of reaching positions of power and authority, the only problem is in remaining in this position, Also we should work more on the people, I had a couple of religious friends for example who were voting secularist capitalist anti-Islamic thugs, I had to explain to them that voting for such people is equal to Kufr and finally I convinced them, because people are easily tricked by worldly slogans.

for this new discussion! It is quite timely and thoughtful, keep up the good work!

And these are poignant observations. It is similar to Algeria in which the FLN was voted back into power and Bouteflika was reelected yet again. How is this possible?

For Algeria and Egypt, the leading Islamic groups are Muslim Brotherhood esque.
And by that, they adopt a methodology and strategies which tend to result in the same outcome everywhere it's applied.
1. Public acceptance of the nationalist construct of the state.
2. Public acceptance of the hybridized legal systems of these constructs.
3. Adherence to the 'processes' of these nationalist regimes.
4. Seeking to oppose the regime only through the avenues which the regime allows opposition.
5. Failure to publicly present alternatives to any of the above which are consistent with Islam and the Sunnah.

In Tahrir Square, protesters called for Shariah. But the MB didn't take up this call or expand on it or explain the concept of reintroducing Shariah as an alternative. There was NO explanation- no leadership TOWARDS ISLAM in that matter.
(And the salafi failed to do so as well). LEADERSHIP includes communicating goals and showing how they accomplish interests and common aims for all involved. MB has failed to show leadership towards an Islamic state and Islam which the common man can understand. (In America, even children are taught the US constitution and declaration of independence and how adults can support democracy).

Without a viable alternative which invokes higher moral, stronger character, and spiritual commitment, such as resuming an Islamic state, people are left with the same archaic legal system and bloated government and corrupt regime. So why not just do the practical thing and vote for your own interests?

The political calculations by the common man are discernible:
Shafik will bring in jobs and stabilize the economy.
Morsy will cause 'unknown changes' and turn away Europe and America, making Egypt poor again.

06-23-2012, 04:49 PM	#33
gennickhif Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 729 Senior Member	Salam, Exactly, and do you know that many Muslims in Egypt voted against the Islamic government? somewhere around 48 to 51% of the voters voted against Islam, they voted for the old regime actually so there's a big chance the entire revolution is lost. What is it that we need to do? we know for a fact that we are capable of reaching positions of power and authority, the only problem is in remaining in this position, Also we should work more on the people, I had a couple of religious friends for example who were voting secularist capitalist anti-Islamic thugs, I had to explain to them that voting for such people is equal to Kufr and finally I convinced them, because people are easily tricked by worldly slogans. for this new discussion! It is quite timely and thoughtful, keep up the good work! And these are poignant observations. It is similar to Algeria in which the FLN was voted back into power and Bouteflika was reelected yet again. How is this possible? For Algeria and Egypt, the leading Islamic groups are Muslim Brotherhood esque. And by that, they adopt a methodology and strategies which tend to result in the same outcome everywhere it's applied. 1. Public acceptance of the nationalist construct of the state. 2. Public acceptance of the hybridized legal systems of these constructs. 3. Adherence to the 'processes' of these nationalist regimes. 4. Seeking to oppose the regime only through the avenues which the regime allows opposition. 5. Failure to publicly present alternatives to any of the above which are consistent with Islam and the Sunnah. In Tahrir Square, protesters called for Shariah. But the MB didn't take up this call or expand on it or explain the concept of reintroducing Shariah as an alternative. There was NO explanation- no leadership TOWARDS ISLAM in that matter. (And the salafi failed to do so as well). LEADERSHIP includes communicating goals and showing how they accomplish interests and common aims for all involved. MB has failed to show leadership towards an Islamic state and Islam which the common man can understand. (In America, even children are taught the US constitution and declaration of independence and how adults can support democracy). Without a viable alternative which invokes higher moral, stronger character, and spiritual commitment, such as resuming an Islamic state, people are left with the same archaic legal system and bloated government and corrupt regime. So why not just do the practical thing and vote for your own interests? The political calculations by the common man are discernible: Shafik will bring in jobs and stabilize the economy. Morsy will cause 'unknown changes' and turn away Europe and America, making Egypt poor again.
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