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**masteryxisman** · 11-18-2008, 05:05 AM

When it comes to the government recognition of their rights, absolutely. Our Constitution made only one distinction between males and females, which was voting rights, and that was stripped away a long, long time ago. That doesn't answer my question, Boris. Are men and women interchangeable? It's a simple yes or no. Just because men are different from women doesn't mean that they have fewer rights then women.

No, I got your point. But your "trying to square a circle" comment is a direct jab at same-sex relations, as you said it "doesn't work." I can assure you, it does. I'm glad you managed to absorb the thrust of my argument unlike your companions.

There's no evidence allowing gay marriage is "suicidal." It's a rather simple argument. Societies are sustained by encouraging men and women to get married and have children, and raise them until they can repeat the cycle. Gay marriage does nothing to help things. Given the fact that the west is already having trouble, it is suicidal. Where are the kids going to come from Boris? Surely you can't see and agree with me that the west is dying, slowly but surely.

Heterosexual marriage rates haven't changed in societies that have allowed gay marriage. No studies have offered any evidence that allowing gay marriage impacts hetero marriage whatsoever. Wait 20 years. Just because the rates haven't changed yet isn't an argument that they will not have an effect in the future. I would argue that in societies which have endorsed gay marriage, that it will be the most significant effect. Up here in Canada, there really is no point to gay marriage, because the only ones who get married now are tourists from abroad. I hardly think that was the purpose of the legislation to export gay marriage around the world.

Your entire argument hinges on the stupid idea that allowing gay marriages will somehow end heterosexual marriages, which is simply not the case. I never said that. All I said is that it weakens society and makes it more likely that you won't have these privileges in the future.

First you'd have to find some poor girl to put up with you. True, but I would love to get married soon. Tired of being on my own. Want to have a family of my own.

11-18-2008, 05:05 AM	#28
masteryxisman Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	When it comes to the government recognition of their rights, absolutely. Our Constitution made only one distinction between males and females, which was voting rights, and that was stripped away a long, long time ago. That doesn't answer my question, Boris. Are men and women interchangeable? It's a simple yes or no. Just because men are different from women doesn't mean that they have fewer rights then women. No, I got your point. But your "trying to square a circle" comment is a direct jab at same-sex relations, as you said it "doesn't work." I can assure you, it does. I'm glad you managed to absorb the thrust of my argument unlike your companions. There's no evidence allowing gay marriage is "suicidal." It's a rather simple argument. Societies are sustained by encouraging men and women to get married and have children, and raise them until they can repeat the cycle. Gay marriage does nothing to help things. Given the fact that the west is already having trouble, it is suicidal. Where are the kids going to come from Boris? Surely you can't see and agree with me that the west is dying, slowly but surely. Heterosexual marriage rates haven't changed in societies that have allowed gay marriage. No studies have offered any evidence that allowing gay marriage impacts hetero marriage whatsoever. Wait 20 years. Just because the rates haven't changed yet isn't an argument that they will not have an effect in the future. I would argue that in societies which have endorsed gay marriage, that it will be the most significant effect. Up here in Canada, there really is no point to gay marriage, because the only ones who get married now are tourists from abroad. I hardly think that was the purpose of the legislation to export gay marriage around the world. Your entire argument hinges on the stupid idea that allowing gay marriages will somehow end heterosexual marriages, which is simply not the case. I never said that. All I said is that it weakens society and makes it more likely that you won't have these privileges in the future. First you'd have to find some poor girl to put up with you. True, but I would love to get married soon. Tired of being on my own. Want to have a family of my own.
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