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**RerRoktoido** · 07-26-2007, 07:16 PM

The "race as science" baloney has been pushed for over 100 years now, and it continues to produce no respectable results, for many reasons but starting with that there is no biological definition of race to begin with, no single trait that every person of a certain group has or doesn't have. Actually, it hasn't been pushed properly so it can't produce results.

Once that is established it is a lot easier for people to (correctly) consider that the achievement gap, crime rates, etc. are better correlated with income and social status. I agree completely, and as the old codger says "Differences in intelligence are the most significant factor in explaining poverty". Do you deny this? Do you deny that the poorest of countries in Africa are those under self rule? Why is this? Will I say race? No, but in a similar fashion that it takes money to make money, it also takes poor people to keep people poor.

It's also not an absurd observation to make in Finland or other 1st world countries that the more poverish neighborhoods tend to have a certain ethnic make-up, and this, IMO, has highly to do with level of assimilation that this "racist" is pushing for. Similarly, poor white trash cultures tend to be charlitans.

If you don't think the claim that Europeans are just naturally smarter than Africans is racist or hateful, I guess you are too removed from racism. Remember that claims like this were used throughout the 1900s to justify the socially-caused inequalities between groups, especially in the US. Sorry if it's racist to point out the evolution has also made the black man taller, stronger and faster and thus a better athlete... in general. I think I could argue the IQ test as a measure for demonstrating this "intellegence" better than I can argue why all the poor people seem to be of a specific minority despite advantages given to them to do better. I think that he would been better to state something along the lines that the communities which are poorer tend to put less weight/emphais on education than do other communties and that we ought to do something about that... which is pretty much what he did, with one additional correlation.

Perhaps we should address the problem that he pointed out instead of crying over the fact that we think he is a racist... but will probably not get past all the whinning and name calling in order to fix or do anything.

07-26-2007, 07:16 PM	#9
RerRoktoido Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 370 Senior Member	The "race as science" baloney has been pushed for over 100 years now, and it continues to produce no respectable results, for many reasons but starting with that there is no biological definition of race to begin with, no single trait that every person of a certain group has or doesn't have. Actually, it hasn't been pushed properly so it can't produce results. Once that is established it is a lot easier for people to (correctly) consider that the achievement gap, crime rates, etc. are better correlated with income and social status. I agree completely, and as the old codger says "Differences in intelligence are the most significant factor in explaining poverty". Do you deny this? Do you deny that the poorest of countries in Africa are those under self rule? Why is this? Will I say race? No, but in a similar fashion that it takes money to make money, it also takes poor people to keep people poor. It's also not an absurd observation to make in Finland or other 1st world countries that the more poverish neighborhoods tend to have a certain ethnic make-up, and this, IMO, has highly to do with level of assimilation that this "racist" is pushing for. Similarly, poor white trash cultures tend to be charlitans. If you don't think the claim that Europeans are just naturally smarter than Africans is racist or hateful, I guess you are too removed from racism. Remember that claims like this were used throughout the 1900s to justify the socially-caused inequalities between groups, especially in the US. Sorry if it's racist to point out the evolution has also made the black man taller, stronger and faster and thus a better athlete... in general. I think I could argue the IQ test as a measure for demonstrating this "intellegence" better than I can argue why all the poor people seem to be of a specific minority despite advantages given to them to do better. I think that he would been better to state something along the lines that the communities which are poorer tend to put less weight/emphais on education than do other communties and that we ought to do something about that... which is pretty much what he did, with one additional correlation. Perhaps we should address the problem that he pointed out instead of crying over the fact that we think he is a racist... but will probably not get past all the whinning and name calling in order to fix or do anything.
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