[Narcodran]

I enjoy the real world. You should come on down. dodge. juke. dodge.

Again, your being purposely obtuse. You can argue with a religious person all day about why their belief in a soul doesn't make a fetus a person. Obviously your used to that, maybe that is why you are a complete fish out of water now that you have encountered something different.

There is no medical of scientific reason for determining when a fetus is a human. So we are simply operating from two different assumptions. But valid. Neither with any more claim to the real world other than what you or I believe.

My goal is the best outcome: that is, the most survival possible with the best possible health. Again, I am glad you are willing to sacrifice others without even a consultation. I take it back, you would have been more at home on the Soviet side of Stalingrad than the Somme.

Sometimes in nature, everyone cannot win. Deal with it. Agreed, so when are we flying to Africa to keep those aid organizations from interfering with nature? Another reason why these people made the right decision, using your logic.

I'm very shocked you don't know my opinion about smokers... So you do irrationally use alcohol knowing it has health consequences? And you would be happy if someone made the rational choice to force you to stop that?

I do what I can. I donate insane amounts of horsepower to HIV treatment research (PS3, 8800 Ultra, core 2 quad extreme). I bet that will help out in about 20 years when a cure is found, and 100 years after that when Africa can get its hands on it.

But why wait Asher? Lets go now. You and me. Sure we will kill 100 million people today, but we will save 500 million from being infected and dieing over the next 120 years while we wait for a cure. And developing/buying that much cure would be to economically hindering anyway, killing them now and not worrying about the cure is much more utilitarian. They are going to die anyway.

Again, it's a hard decision, but it's a simple one unless you believe in some stupid fantasy like divine intervention. Save 2, or kill them all. It is simple, but until you can sort out your own inconsistency in application I can't trust you to make that simple decision, let alone a hard one.

If its numbers it's numbers. If it is not it's not. Don't be shy in applying your superior solution to all the worlds problems!

"Smart, strong, or developed"? You're sitting on a boat. Who is smart enough to catch fish? Figure out a way to signal a plane? Who has the strength to survive in exposure for a month? You didn't specify the age of the children, do you think a three year old's level of development is equal to the task in the same way a 25 year old's is?

Your counter scenario sucked, and it is shredding your argument.

A minor quibble in your eyes, apparently... It is a tragedy if any of them die, but since your willing to just hack up four of them with no remorse in the first place, who are you to lecture about such a thing?

Are they? Do the math.

~99% survival for a full-term birth (x2)
~1% survival for a 20-22week birth. (x6) Ummm..., you forgot something there that proves your disingenuous argement nicely.

Pleas tac on "0% chance of survival (not really the term to use if you actually kill them is it? ) (x4)" to that first metric.

Again, it is so nice that those other four decided to sacrifice their lives for their fellow sextuplets. Real courage, and such a good application of those numbers you like so much Asher. Oh wait...

Because murdering people in Africa will not save any lives. Eliminating HIV in Africa won't save lives?

Given that it does not apply to the real world, it is a waste of time. Your choice, or rather inability, to answer that question makes your argument in this thread laughable, and I know you have already realized this.