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**xanonlinexan** · 08-11-2010, 02:12 PM

Thank you for that quote Evan. I love that piece by St. John.

Kosta, I was wondering if you or anyone else had any articles on the mosaic geometric patterns and mosaic designs in mosques being really created by hired, greek, coptic, armenian and serbian artisans?

More on topic, does anyone else have any other patristic writings on this topic?

Here is an excerpt from the website sacred-destinations.com. It gives the history of the building of the 'Prophets Mosque' in Medina. It is the second holiest site in Islam:
'This mosque was 84 by 100 meters in size, with stone foundations and a teak roof supported on stone columns. The mosque walls were decorated with mosaics by Coptic and Greek craftsmen, similar to those seen in the Umayyad mosque in Damascus and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem (built by the same caliph). The courtyard was surrounded by a gallery on four sides, with four minarets on its corners. A mihrab topped by a small dome was built on the qibla wall...'

Sinan the greatest turkish architect ever was either of serbian or greek descent, he built most of the mosques in Instanbul: There are two accounts of his early biography. One from a christian point of view which says Sinan was an Orthodox christian who learned his trade from his father. At age 21 he was taken as a janissery. Another from a muslim point of view says that Sinan's father was an Orthodox christian who converted to Islam and taught his son the trade of carpentry, at age of 21 Sinan was recruited by the Devsirme into the janniseries.

Can there be any doubt? Even the muslim account of Sinans life that tries to cover up the truth admits he was taken as a jannisery! Thus his Orthodox father taught him architecture, and by age 21 was forced into the janisseries. It is the muslim account which admits he was a victim of the devsirme! These accounts are found in muslimheritage.com

Here is some excerpts about the dome of the rock mosque from sacredsites.com
'Often incorrectly called the Mosque of Umar, the Dome of the Rock, known in Arabic as Qubbat As-Sakhrah, is not a mosque for public worship but rather a mashhad, a shrine for pilgrims. Adjacent to the Dome is the Al-Aqsa Mosque wherein Muslims make their prayers. Designed by Byzantine architects engaged by the Caliph, the Dome of the Rock was the greatest monumental building in early Islamic history and remains today one of the most sublime examples of artistic genius that humanity has ever produced (the Great Mosque of Damascus, being a true mosque, is the earliest surviving monumental mosque).....
The Dome of the Rock, while certainly one of the world's great architectural masterpieces, is often incorrectly understood to be an Islamic creation. Writing about the non-Islamic influences on the architectural style of the Dome, the author of Muslim Religious Architecture, Dogan Kuban, comments that,

"Art historians have kept up an unceasing flow of studies of the Dome of the Rock. In the context of Islamic architecture it remains unique, but in that of Roman architecture its form is directly in line with the late tradition in Syria. All of its important features, from the interior double colonnades to the great wooden dome, have been shown to be faithful reproductions of features of the Cathedral of Bosra in southern Syria. Its well-known mosaic decoration is Islamic only in the sense that the vocabulary is syncretic and does not include representation of men or animals. The entire building might be viewed as the last blossoming of the Hellenistic tradition before the Islamic synthesis created its own formulas."

Here is what is said of the bbuilders of the Great Mosque of Damascus in Syria:

'In 706 al-Walid, the sixth Ummayad caliph, demolished the church and constructed a mosque along the southern wall of the Roman temenos. Using thousands of craftsmen of Coptic, Persian, Indian and Greek origin, the construction took ten years to complete and included a prayer hall, a vast courtyard and hundreds of rooms for visiting pilgrims. The triple ailed prayer hall, roughly 160 meters long, was covered with a tiled wooden roof and supported on reused columns taken from Roman temples in the region as well as the Church of Mary at Antioch (a similar practice yielded columns for the mosque of Kairouan in Tunisia).'

So much for the myth of the brilliant arab mathematicians that the westerners brainwash their children into believing.

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08-11-2010, 02:12 PM	#21
xanonlinexan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 623 Senior Member	Thank you for that quote Evan. I love that piece by St. John. Kosta, I was wondering if you or anyone else had any articles on the mosaic geometric patterns and mosaic designs in mosques being really created by hired, greek, coptic, armenian and serbian artisans? More on topic, does anyone else have any other patristic writings on this topic? Here is an excerpt from the website sacred-destinations.com. It gives the history of the building of the 'Prophets Mosque' in Medina. It is the second holiest site in Islam: 'This mosque was 84 by 100 meters in size, with stone foundations and a teak roof supported on stone columns. The mosque walls were decorated with mosaics by Coptic and Greek craftsmen, similar to those seen in the Umayyad mosque in Damascus and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem (built by the same caliph). The courtyard was surrounded by a gallery on four sides, with four minarets on its corners. A mihrab topped by a small dome was built on the qibla wall...' Sinan the greatest turkish architect ever was either of serbian or greek descent, he built most of the mosques in Instanbul: There are two accounts of his early biography. One from a christian point of view which says Sinan was an Orthodox christian who learned his trade from his father. At age 21 he was taken as a janissery. Another from a muslim point of view says that Sinan's father was an Orthodox christian who converted to Islam and taught his son the trade of carpentry, at age of 21 Sinan was recruited by the Devsirme into the janniseries. Can there be any doubt? Even the muslim account of Sinans life that tries to cover up the truth admits he was taken as a jannisery! Thus his Orthodox father taught him architecture, and by age 21 was forced into the janisseries. It is the muslim account which admits he was a victim of the devsirme! These accounts are found in muslimheritage.com Here is some excerpts about the dome of the rock mosque from sacredsites.com 'Often incorrectly called the Mosque of Umar, the Dome of the Rock, known in Arabic as Qubbat As-Sakhrah, is not a mosque for public worship but rather a mashhad, a shrine for pilgrims. Adjacent to the Dome is the Al-Aqsa Mosque wherein Muslims make their prayers. Designed by Byzantine architects engaged by the Caliph, the Dome of the Rock was the greatest monumental building in early Islamic history and remains today one of the most sublime examples of artistic genius that humanity has ever produced (the Great Mosque of Damascus, being a true mosque, is the earliest surviving monumental mosque)..... The Dome of the Rock, while certainly one of the world's great architectural masterpieces, is often incorrectly understood to be an Islamic creation. Writing about the non-Islamic influences on the architectural style of the Dome, the author of Muslim Religious Architecture, Dogan Kuban, comments that, "Art historians have kept up an unceasing flow of studies of the Dome of the Rock. In the context of Islamic architecture it remains unique, but in that of Roman architecture its form is directly in line with the late tradition in Syria. All of its important features, from the interior double colonnades to the great wooden dome, have been shown to be faithful reproductions of features of the Cathedral of Bosra in southern Syria. Its well-known mosaic decoration is Islamic only in the sense that the vocabulary is syncretic and does not include representation of men or animals. The entire building might be viewed as the last blossoming of the Hellenistic tradition before the Islamic synthesis created its own formulas." Here is what is said of the bbuilders of the Great Mosque of Damascus in Syria: 'In 706 al-Walid, the sixth Ummayad caliph, demolished the church and constructed a mosque along the southern wall of the Roman temenos. Using thousands of craftsmen of Coptic, Persian, Indian and Greek origin, the construction took ten years to complete and included a prayer hall, a vast courtyard and hundreds of rooms for visiting pilgrims. The triple ailed prayer hall, roughly 160 meters long, was covered with a tiled wooden roof and supported on reused columns taken from Roman temples in the region as well as the Church of Mary at Antioch (a similar practice yielded columns for the mosque of Kairouan in Tunisia).' So much for the myth of the brilliant arab mathematicians that the westerners brainwash their children into believing. :
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