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Old 05-04-2007, 12:12 PM   #3
r9tbayfC

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Originally posted by CyberShy
Civilization is most of the time being born through war and revolution and anarchy.

That's why people can't say: "It's a mess in Iraq and Afghanistan, blame Bush" since that mess would have happened anyway eventually. Countering a factual mess with a hypothetical mess isn't that great of an idea.
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