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**CathBraun** · 05-30-2006, 09:05 PM

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Serb

"Yeah, sure. Whenever Soviets did something better than you, it's only because they were TEH EVIL!!! "

no, im not saying that. You referenced specifically that there were no riots in Kabul during the Soviet occupation. AFAICT that was due to the rep the Soviets had for cracking down on riots much more harshly than the Karzi govt does.

"Exactly! Soviets had a significant support among the local population."

Among the secular elite in Kabul. Thats what I said.

" That's why we came there in the first place and that's why we stay there for so long. What force do you have now in Afghanistan to rely on?
The answer is - NONE. Your support among the locals equals to ZERO."

The Afghan army has fought fairly effectively, from all Ive read. But we and our allies have only been recruiting and training it for the last 4 and half years. The Afghan army in 1979 OTOH, was largely pro-Soviet, and had institutional continuity with the army under the monarchy. In 1979 you walked into an Afghanistan that had largely been at peace for over 30 years, with a growing infrastructure. In 2001 we walked into an Afghanistan without even the remnants of a functioning govt, and with an economy and society devastated by 22 years of war.

''What kind of offensives are you talking about? There was no any stable, permanent frontline in Afghanistan. All what Majaheded were good to do (just like you trained them) was hit and run tactics. It was a guerilla warfare. "

Maybe this is a translation problem. Why cant guerilla warfare have offensives?

"And what do you think just happened in Kabul?

"

A riot.

"I see. So, the government controls nothing except Kabul,"

False. They control the entire north and west of the country. In the Pashtun South and East they control all the towns, including Kandahar. They control the country side in several of the Pashtun province. They LACK control of the countryside in several of the
Pashtun provinces, notably Helmand, Kandahar, and Gazni. Why do you think repeating a false statement makes it true?

" but even there they have riots,"

Yes, cause riots happen. There were riots in Paris.

"but there is nothing to worry about - everythin is under control."

Theres plenty to worry about. Your statements are still false.

" Please, tell me, did his majesty King George-II resurected the captain of Titanic to govern this Afghan province of yours?"

The govt of Afghanistan is recognized by the UN, was elected in fair elections, and is supported by a range of countries, not just the US. The policy of supporting the govt of Afghanistan is stronly supported by the Democratic party.

"I have no idea,

. But something tells me that demostrations/riots in Teheran could be anti-American only."

Well that something is ignorant, then.

05-30-2006, 09:05 PM	#21
CathBraun Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 502 Senior Member	[QUOTE] Originally posted by Serb "Yeah, sure. Whenever Soviets did something better than you, it's only because they were TEH EVIL!!! " no, im not saying that. You referenced specifically that there were no riots in Kabul during the Soviet occupation. AFAICT that was due to the rep the Soviets had for cracking down on riots much more harshly than the Karzi govt does. "Exactly! Soviets had a significant support among the local population." Among the secular elite in Kabul. Thats what I said. " That's why we came there in the first place and that's why we stay there for so long. What force do you have now in Afghanistan to rely on? The answer is - NONE. Your support among the locals equals to ZERO." The Afghan army has fought fairly effectively, from all Ive read. But we and our allies have only been recruiting and training it for the last 4 and half years. The Afghan army in 1979 OTOH, was largely pro-Soviet, and had institutional continuity with the army under the monarchy. In 1979 you walked into an Afghanistan that had largely been at peace for over 30 years, with a growing infrastructure. In 2001 we walked into an Afghanistan without even the remnants of a functioning govt, and with an economy and society devastated by 22 years of war. ''What kind of offensives are you talking about? There was no any stable, permanent frontline in Afghanistan. All what Majaheded were good to do (just like you trained them) was hit and run tactics. It was a guerilla warfare. " Maybe this is a translation problem. Why cant guerilla warfare have offensives? "And what do you think just happened in Kabul? " A riot. "I see. So, the government controls nothing except Kabul," False. They control the entire north and west of the country. In the Pashtun South and East they control all the towns, including Kandahar. They control the country side in several of the Pashtun province. They LACK control of the countryside in several of the Pashtun provinces, notably Helmand, Kandahar, and Gazni. Why do you think repeating a false statement makes it true? " but even there they have riots," Yes, cause riots happen. There were riots in Paris. "but there is nothing to worry about - everythin is under control." Theres plenty to worry about. Your statements are still false. " Please, tell me, did his majesty King George-II resurected the captain of Titanic to govern this Afghan province of yours?" The govt of Afghanistan is recognized by the UN, was elected in fair elections, and is supported by a range of countries, not just the US. The policy of supporting the govt of Afghanistan is stronly supported by the Democratic party. "I have no idea,. But something tells me that demostrations/riots in Teheran could be anti-American only." Well that something is ignorant, then.
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