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**furious1** · 08-26-2012, 07:01 AM

You're probably starting out as phasing but it goes to the subconscious quickly. I'm not sure what you need to do for that, except for retreating a second you get in, and doing it again a few times until you know your lucidity is staying with you.

I've tried that, especially after reading Fred's advice on "drifting with an anchor." I still get sucked into the vignettes. I think I need more pre-projection preparation.

That's because they're not for phasing, which is what you seem to be trying to do here.
Chakra stimulation is energy work, and should be approached as an overall practice for all expanded awareness practice, but it's not a projection technique. Well, at first I go for the classic exit like I do when I get vibes. When that fails, which it inevitably does, I try for phasing, which results in loss of lucidity.

I don't do much energy work. Which explains why chakra stimulation doesn't seem to work.

Energy body loosening and ROPE are techniques for achieving an OBE with separation, and phasing is not that. Also, if you want to have an OBE and are at the hypnagogic state, then start doing the loosening at that moment, and then the exit technique (ROPE being one of them). But if you're merging into the astral (which is what phasing is (aka WILDing) you're already there, no exit necessary. So you're advising a) not mixing phasing and classic exit, and b) performing loosening before the hypnogogic state?

If you are looking to phase and are getting hypnagogics, try to tune into your earhiss and split your attention between what you hear and what you see; this way you don't get sucked into the dreamscape without your lucidity, but go into it with, and can then manipulate your navigation. I will try this, thanks.

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furious1 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	You're probably starting out as phasing but it goes to the subconscious quickly. I'm not sure what you need to do for that, except for retreating a second you get in, and doing it again a few times until you know your lucidity is staying with you. I've tried that, especially after reading Fred's advice on "drifting with an anchor." I still get sucked into the vignettes. I think I need more pre-projection preparation. That's because they're not for phasing, which is what you seem to be trying to do here. Chakra stimulation is energy work, and should be approached as an overall practice for all expanded awareness practice, but it's not a projection technique. Well, at first I go for the classic exit like I do when I get vibes. When that fails, which it inevitably does, I try for phasing, which results in loss of lucidity. I don't do much energy work. Which explains why chakra stimulation doesn't seem to work. Energy body loosening and ROPE are techniques for achieving an OBE with separation, and phasing is not that. Also, if you want to have an OBE and are at the hypnagogic state, then start doing the loosening at that moment, and then the exit technique (ROPE being one of them). But if you're merging into the astral (which is what phasing is (aka WILDing) you're already there, no exit necessary. So you're advising a) not mixing phasing and classic exit, and b) performing loosening before the hypnogogic state? If you are looking to phase and are getting hypnagogics, try to tune into your earhiss and split your attention between what you hear and what you see; this way you don't get sucked into the dreamscape without your lucidity, but go into it with, and can then manipulate your navigation. I will try this, thanks.
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