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**Zhgpavye** · 08-30-2012, 08:18 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to divert the topic.

Ah yes, Jouissance, a difficult term to understand in English, hence there is no word for it and we have to borrow from the French. Perhaps it may be better to describe it as 'enforced desire', so when relating to disruptive behaviour it can materialise in a compulsion to control by the use of pain or whatever else the abuser has learned.

Kant wrote at length about the 'Pleasure Principle' in relation to sex and death (sorry, getting off track here) and Lacan turned the whole sex/desire thing on it's head. So it's not merely a word that relates to sexual desire. There are quite a few good articles out there debating and relating to Lacan and his use of the Pleasure Principle vs Jouissance, can be a bit dry reading but very informative and worthwhile for those in therapies which compliment or involve psychoanalysis and counselling.

http://www.lacan.com/forced.htm

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Zhgpavye Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 538 Senior Member	Sorry, didn't mean to divert the topic. Ah yes, Jouissance, a difficult term to understand in English, hence there is no word for it and we have to borrow from the French. Perhaps it may be better to describe it as 'enforced desire', so when relating to disruptive behaviour it can materialise in a compulsion to control by the use of pain or whatever else the abuser has learned. Kant wrote at length about the 'Pleasure Principle' in relation to sex and death (sorry, getting off track here) and Lacan turned the whole sex/desire thing on it's head. So it's not merely a word that relates to sexual desire. There are quite a few good articles out there debating and relating to Lacan and his use of the Pleasure Principle vs Jouissance, can be a bit dry reading but very informative and worthwhile for those in therapies which compliment or involve psychoanalysis and counselling. http://www.lacan.com/forced.htm
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