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**sabbixsweraco** · 06-25-2012, 10:14 PM

Hi, thanks for the reply, and as you wish, i'll be more specific about it:
First, i relax, and get into the trance state, until i feel nothing of my own physical body but something else, it feels like something fills my body from inside, something feels numb and can be movable out of body partly with thought. After that i do a viisualization of another body(thinking of it as the energy body) within me getting out of my physical body by being pulled up by something invisible, or by itself,and all the things i said above happens, unconsiciously moving the body like it's getting pulled up and getting it to the original position when i realize it, also feeling another thing getting pulled up inside me (probably the body i visualize).

It looks as if you're doing visualization-based exit, which puts your conscious awareness 'in' your body looking out. I'm going to give you a few ideas to break that habit.

It looks like you're getting 'body type' discomfort and one mental one that is normal. I will also give you a few ideas to distract your mind from any body feeling you may have.

First, I want you to forget about trying to suppress your 'monkey mind'. Instead I want you to assign a time when it's ok to chatter- give yourself permission to let your mind chatter, and observe what it is saying as if you were listening to the radio or watching TV. Don't try to stop it, merely observe it when it happens.
If you get itches and temperature problems, try doing visualizations to counteract this body discomfort. Imagining cool water washing over your body may be helpful- but do some relaxation exercises (muscle relaxation, that is) in the early part of your routine to help relax you more. If you need to practice naked or with a cover (or whatever) try to get that sorted before you begin. But don't worry about breaking the trance- it's better to be as comfortable as possible before it's time to lose your body consciousness.

So I'd like to see if you can try doing a routine that is roughly in this order:
Muscle relaxation and body relaxation. This prepares you to get comfortable before the serious trancework begins.
Breathwork- this helps relax your mind, gives it something to do while you relax your body further. You still have body identity here, and it's ok. If you do any energy raising, it's ok to do.
At some point, your mind will wander. It's ok. This is what the mind does, it's indexing memories. So you will let it happen, let your mind wander and watch yourself watching your mind. Just let it happen for a certain amount of time. But if at any time you feel yourself getting sleepy, you interrupt the MM and decide that now is the time to work on your trance.
Now you are going to cultivate trance by doing visualizations. This keeps the mind busy with acceptable activity- pictorials are ok, verbiage isn't. So do trance visualizations. There should be some techs in the OBE R & D section. If you get itches and discomfort it's ok to adjust yourself or scratch yourself at this point. But not after this.
Do not try an exit technique until you have some sort of exit sensations. This includes visualizations. Exit cues can be as dramatic as vibrations, noises, voices, or visions. If you can see through your eyelids for more than a moment, you're ready for the exit. If you're not getting any symptoms, then go from trance induction to energy body loosening. E-body is not an exit technique, but it can produce exit sensations (and an exit). Do some of those until you feel ready.
Then either move to an exit technique that is not body-centric, or go into 'noticing'. If you are still not getting any cues you can add a 'mental' mantra to your noticing. If anything different happens (your consciousness seems 'on', like 'hyper aware', then go ahead and try any of the exit techniques listed on the stickied threads in the OBE R & D section. There are many to try, but pick two, and alternate with two in one routine.
If for any reason there is no result, don't turn over and go to sleep. Either go back to trance induction and down the line, or get up and walk around.
Good luck.

06-25-2012, 10:14 PM	#4
sabbixsweraco Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 486 Senior Member	Hi, thanks for the reply, and as you wish, i'll be more specific about it: First, i relax, and get into the trance state, until i feel nothing of my own physical body but something else, it feels like something fills my body from inside, something feels numb and can be movable out of body partly with thought. After that i do a viisualization of another body(thinking of it as the energy body) within me getting out of my physical body by being pulled up by something invisible, or by itself,and all the things i said above happens, unconsiciously moving the body like it's getting pulled up and getting it to the original position when i realize it, also feeling another thing getting pulled up inside me (probably the body i visualize). It looks as if you're doing visualization-based exit, which puts your conscious awareness 'in' your body looking out. I'm going to give you a few ideas to break that habit. It looks like you're getting 'body type' discomfort and one mental one that is normal. I will also give you a few ideas to distract your mind from any body feeling you may have. First, I want you to forget about trying to suppress your 'monkey mind'. Instead I want you to assign a time when it's ok to chatter- give yourself permission to let your mind chatter, and observe what it is saying as if you were listening to the radio or watching TV. Don't try to stop it, merely observe it when it happens. If you get itches and temperature problems, try doing visualizations to counteract this body discomfort. Imagining cool water washing over your body may be helpful- but do some relaxation exercises (muscle relaxation, that is) in the early part of your routine to help relax you more. If you need to practice naked or with a cover (or whatever) try to get that sorted before you begin. But don't worry about breaking the trance- it's better to be as comfortable as possible before it's time to lose your body consciousness. So I'd like to see if you can try doing a routine that is roughly in this order: Muscle relaxation and body relaxation. This prepares you to get comfortable before the serious trancework begins. Breathwork- this helps relax your mind, gives it something to do while you relax your body further. You still have body identity here, and it's ok. If you do any energy raising, it's ok to do. At some point, your mind will wander. It's ok. This is what the mind does, it's indexing memories. So you will let it happen, let your mind wander and watch yourself watching your mind. Just let it happen for a certain amount of time. But if at any time you feel yourself getting sleepy, you interrupt the MM and decide that now is the time to work on your trance. Now you are going to cultivate trance by doing visualizations. This keeps the mind busy with acceptable activity- pictorials are ok, verbiage isn't. So do trance visualizations. There should be some techs in the OBE R & D section. If you get itches and discomfort it's ok to adjust yourself or scratch yourself at this point. But not after this. Do not try an exit technique until you have some sort of exit sensations. This includes visualizations. Exit cues can be as dramatic as vibrations, noises, voices, or visions. If you can see through your eyelids for more than a moment, you're ready for the exit. If you're not getting any symptoms, then go from trance induction to energy body loosening. E-body is not an exit technique, but it can produce exit sensations (and an exit). Do some of those until you feel ready. Then either move to an exit technique that is not body-centric, or go into 'noticing'. If you are still not getting any cues you can add a 'mental' mantra to your noticing. If anything different happens (your consciousness seems 'on', like 'hyper aware', then go ahead and try any of the exit techniques listed on the stickied threads in the OBE R & D section. There are many to try, but pick two, and alternate with two in one routine. If for any reason there is no result, don't turn over and go to sleep. Either go back to trance induction and down the line, or get up and walk around. Good luck.
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