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**Blaxastij** · 01-09-2012, 01:04 AM

Hey Linus,

Always good to hear from you. To your points:

...what your state of mind was during the trance state. Are you trying to do as in MAP, to have your mind clear of thought words. Or do you just go with it and never mind what you are thinking? I noticed that you counted, and that to me seems like a focus on just one thing. I wonder if that works in the same way as to not have any thought words?

I should have been more specific in my entry on this outing. I was not intending to project, but was going for a WILD (wake induced lucid dream), so my approach was different. In these cases it's fairly normal to keep a slightly higher level of awareness on something other than your breath during the trance state, otherwise that crafty sleep guy will overtake you. A fine thread of awareness is helpful when passing between waking and sleeping, and for me that thread is just counting. Nothing more, nothing less. But when going for projection, I aim to be passive and clear of ALL mental chatter.

However, in this case, I shifted my goal while on my way to the WILD. I went for a full projection instead. Which, I'm not sure if I hit or if I was in a WILD after all. If I had to put down money I'd say I was projecting as a result of the brow trigger (a brilliant help, btw, once deep into the trance state).

My problem is that I really dont know how to "think" when I reach those states as I'v also had those sinking and speeding sensations. My reaction to that so far have been to try and clear my mind, but I have not come very far in doing that. The feelings stop and I am kind of expecting a sleep-paralysis of some sort but it never comes.

You said something very important in this paragraph, and that is the word "try."

I suggest you don't try anything. Let go of your expectations. Don't analyze and over-think the journey, just enjoy it for what it is. You'll be out sooner or later, trust me, you will. But if you're going to "try" anything, try getting out of the way of yourself. The more you analyze how you're feeling moment by moment, the sooner you're going to abort the whole thing.

Now, I'm sure there are some more practical tips others can give you here. And I'll add that you shouldn't be expecting paralysis. Sleep paralysis is not pleasant, nor is it necessary, but for those of us who slip into often it can be used as a launch point into the projection. Read Robert's assessment in Astral Dynamics on sleep paralysis, however. His take is sort of like mine...it's no fun and I'd rather not project that way at all.

Keep going. You're getting there.

Soul

01-09-2012, 01:04 AM	#7
Blaxastij Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 507 Senior Member	Hey Linus, Always good to hear from you. To your points: ...what your state of mind was during the trance state. Are you trying to do as in MAP, to have your mind clear of thought words. Or do you just go with it and never mind what you are thinking? I noticed that you counted, and that to me seems like a focus on just one thing. I wonder if that works in the same way as to not have any thought words? I should have been more specific in my entry on this outing. I was not intending to project, but was going for a WILD (wake induced lucid dream), so my approach was different. In these cases it's fairly normal to keep a slightly higher level of awareness on something other than your breath during the trance state, otherwise that crafty sleep guy will overtake you. A fine thread of awareness is helpful when passing between waking and sleeping, and for me that thread is just counting. Nothing more, nothing less. But when going for projection, I aim to be passive and clear of ALL mental chatter. However, in this case, I shifted my goal while on my way to the WILD. I went for a full projection instead. Which, I'm not sure if I hit or if I was in a WILD after all. If I had to put down money I'd say I was projecting as a result of the brow trigger (a brilliant help, btw, once deep into the trance state). My problem is that I really dont know how to "think" when I reach those states as I'v also had those sinking and speeding sensations. My reaction to that so far have been to try and clear my mind, but I have not come very far in doing that. The feelings stop and I am kind of expecting a sleep-paralysis of some sort but it never comes. You said something very important in this paragraph, and that is the word "try." I suggest you don't try anything. Let go of your expectations. Don't analyze and over-think the journey, just enjoy it for what it is. You'll be out sooner or later, trust me, you will. But if you're going to "try" anything, try getting out of the way of yourself. The more you analyze how you're feeling moment by moment, the sooner you're going to abort the whole thing. Now, I'm sure there are some more practical tips others can give you here. And I'll add that you shouldn't be expecting paralysis. Sleep paralysis is not pleasant, nor is it necessary, but for those of us who slip into often it can be used as a launch point into the projection. Read Robert's assessment in Astral Dynamics on sleep paralysis, however. His take is sort of like mine...it's no fun and I'd rather not project that way at all. Keep going. You're getting there. Soul
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