[CymnMaync]

to backtrack a little and to add clarity to my original statement, (and to hopefully make amends for my lack of clarity) the original context of the discussion as perceived by myself had more to do with the popular perception which is tangled up with the word 'death'.

this spoke to the pervading fear in our society that death equals eternal oblivion of an entity; no afterlife, no soul or existence independant of the physical body. that so many have come to assume that no aspect of themselves exists beyond the physical biological framework suggests to me that many have been conned into holding this assumption. indeed, most of my relatives and friends assume that bodily death is the end of their existence, period.

the word 'death' may also be seen as meaning the ceasing of utilizing the outermost biological energetic shell which is the vehicle of expression in third density space/time, regardless of species. i suppose it may be useful to make this contextual distinction for the purpose of conversation of spiritual matters.

dw and others have put forth the concept of bodily ascension, a process wherein a spontaneous dna upgrade may potentially transmute the body into a vehicle of higher density expression, given sufficient experience with mastery of third density lessons and, in terms of en-masse ascension, a commensurate boost of outer energetic catalyst, perhaps coming in the form of a wave of fourth density energy which nudges the planet past the barrier between third and fourth density.

dw and others have cited much evidence of how a biological body may entirely leave our familiar universe, and a case in point is that an entire planeload of people may have left our normal space/time framework, passing into third density time/space - a realm of three dimensions, but reciprocally related to space/time in the sense that the roles of travel/duration are reversed - and re-appeared ten minutes later, with all on-board chronometers ten minutes advanced as compared to everyone else.

one wonders if the process 'we' loosely refer to as death can apply here in any of it's meanings, as for ten minutes these bodies did seemingly not exist in third density space/time.

if we take this as a conceptual starting point, and if it's possible that some mass, worldwide event occurs that removes us all from third density space/time in some form of harvest event, and our physical bodies no longer exist on third density space/time earth, and our physical bodies demonstrate a natural ability to be instantly transmuted into something very different - into forms which can be suited to other spheres of existance, might we not at least allow for the possibility that the definition of death as we know it be expanded to include the body's own ability to fundamentally alter its nature so as to be transformed into something which is no longer what we hold to be a physical biological body of third density space/time?

what do we really refer to as death? i agree that ra has not misled, but maybe they leave some things open to our own self-discovery.

the question offered by don elkins containing the phrase, 'process we refer to as death', perhaps refers to an assumption of the body in the form as we occupy now. i see nowhere that ra says that the body must rot and dissolve in third density space/time, in order to qualify as death. perhaps ra is being protective of our free will, so that we may explore the full connotations of the very energetically and emotionally charged word, 'death' so that we may be free to discover on our own, through research such as has been done by dw, the wider potentials of what ascension may entail.

i will add that i have no fear of dying, and giving my body over for spare parts, if it ever comes to that!

(ra's eplanation of the method of population of fourth density earth being bi-sexual reproduction may make for some hearty rebutting here, but that's a convo for another day.) mark