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**Petwrenny** · 11-22-2010, 04:17 PM

i wanted to say that i too have had amazing spiritual experiences, and insight by implementing the 12 steps into my life.i was guided to go to meetings by a loud booming voice which said...you will die if you keep doing what you are doing to yourself...i was at once woken from a deep sleep of which i was never the same....since i first went to a meeting when i was 16..i have to say that i owe my life and my spiritual foundation to these amazing steps.

wow

most people don't want to do the hard work looking at yourself...correcting wrongs...i thank the creative force everyday that these steps came into my life. i too believe that these special men who came together to save their butts from drinking themselves to death were given something so powerful and they had knowledge of the other dimensions and that there were ways to be able to live in them on this 3d earth. yeah i feel the same way. and i think the most beautiful thing about the steps is that it presents their knowledge of a higher dimension in plain, basic, humble english language. i feel like the book mirrors the loo but in layman's terms.

i always felt like an alien and have always had a hard time understanding how people could be so mean to one another.i know that because of the steps it is my job to look deeply into my life,action,intentions,and not my business to look at others side of things...i live with ingrity today and have self esteem and self love...i have a peace inside that nothing on this earth could possible give me....through prayer and meditation i have been able to break through so many emotional issues and i am able to present in my life...i seek truth and am a truth teller...i have been able to embrace the things i was most scared of and let them go...i can raise my head high and look people deep in their souls... 23 years ago my spiritual journey began...and everyday it just gets better and better...i recieve many messages from my higher self and my guides and since i was a child tapped into another place that leads me to discovering who i am....
i can never be more grateful for the 12 steps coming into my life. i feel really lucky to be given such an incredible gift... i really believe that anyone can benefit from the 12 steps...surely the world would be a more paeceful place...
in light and love,saturn

awesome man! thanks for sharing, saturn! :d and do you think all of this is a direct result of the 12 steps? because, for me, the steps had a dramatic effect, in a practical way, on my life that reading the somewhat abstract concepts in the loo didn't do for me.

i found that another way the big book mirrors the loo is that it talks alot about sto! and it explains the value of it in a clear way. the big book describes the value of selfless service to others is a remedy for the egocentrism that we are afflicted with when we are born into this 3d world. when you selflessly provide service to other human beings then it keeps you out of your mind. it provides the same relief that people look for in other things such as the bottom of a liquor bottle. people fill that spiritual hole with all kinds of things. money, ambition, sex, food, ect...

and that there are differnt forms of egocentrics. many people think egocentric people are the ones who are "full of themselves" or think they are royalty and everyone should kiss their toes. but there are also those egocentric people with low self esteem who obsess over their perceived short comings and inferiority complexes. this latter group needs to "get over themselves" in the same way that the first group does.

here is another quote from the big book:

and acceptance is the answer to all my problems today. when i am disturbed, it is because i find some person, place, thing or situation -- some fact of my life -- unacceptable to me, and i can find no serenity until i accept that person, place, thing or situation as being exactly the way it is supposed to be at this moment.
nothing, absolutely nothing happens in god's world by mistake. until i could accept my alcoholism, i could not stay sober; unless i accept life completely on life's terms, i cannot be happy. i need to concentrate not so much on what needs to be changed in the world as on what needs to be changed in me and in my attitudes. this is powerful right here and it takes an inordinate amount of faith to be able to live this way. but if you can truly see life in this way then life will be so much smoother.

it is also interesting that the 12 steps has become like a "cure all" for this 13th baktun that we are all in. we are born into a state of spiritual amnesia which causes all kinds of problems. and to climb the 12 steps restores us to a state of spiritual union with the universe.

like saturn said, that is truly the greatest of blessings.

love...

11-22-2010, 04:17 PM	#3
Petwrenny Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 400 Senior Member	i wanted to say that i too have had amazing spiritual experiences, and insight by implementing the 12 steps into my life.i was guided to go to meetings by a loud booming voice which said...you will die if you keep doing what you are doing to yourself...i was at once woken from a deep sleep of which i was never the same....since i first went to a meeting when i was 16..i have to say that i owe my life and my spiritual foundation to these amazing steps. wow most people don't want to do the hard work looking at yourself...correcting wrongs...i thank the creative force everyday that these steps came into my life. i too believe that these special men who came together to save their butts from drinking themselves to death were given something so powerful and they had knowledge of the other dimensions and that there were ways to be able to live in them on this 3d earth. yeah i feel the same way. and i think the most beautiful thing about the steps is that it presents their knowledge of a higher dimension in plain, basic, humble english language. i feel like the book mirrors the loo but in layman's terms. i always felt like an alien and have always had a hard time understanding how people could be so mean to one another.i know that because of the steps it is my job to look deeply into my life,action,intentions,and not my business to look at others side of things...i live with ingrity today and have self esteem and self love...i have a peace inside that nothing on this earth could possible give me....through prayer and meditation i have been able to break through so many emotional issues and i am able to present in my life...i seek truth and am a truth teller...i have been able to embrace the things i was most scared of and let them go...i can raise my head high and look people deep in their souls... 23 years ago my spiritual journey began...and everyday it just gets better and better...i recieve many messages from my higher self and my guides and since i was a child tapped into another place that leads me to discovering who i am.... i can never be more grateful for the 12 steps coming into my life. i feel really lucky to be given such an incredible gift... i really believe that anyone can benefit from the 12 steps...surely the world would be a more paeceful place... in light and love,saturn awesome man! thanks for sharing, saturn! :d and do you think all of this is a direct result of the 12 steps? because, for me, the steps had a dramatic effect, in a practical way, on my life that reading the somewhat abstract concepts in the loo didn't do for me. i found that another way the big book mirrors the loo is that it talks alot about sto! and it explains the value of it in a clear way. the big book describes the value of selfless service to others is a remedy for the egocentrism that we are afflicted with when we are born into this 3d world. when you selflessly provide service to other human beings then it keeps you out of your mind. it provides the same relief that people look for in other things such as the bottom of a liquor bottle. people fill that spiritual hole with all kinds of things. money, ambition, sex, food, ect... and that there are differnt forms of egocentrics. many people think egocentric people are the ones who are "full of themselves" or think they are royalty and everyone should kiss their toes. but there are also those egocentric people with low self esteem who obsess over their perceived short comings and inferiority complexes. this latter group needs to "get over themselves" in the same way that the first group does. here is another quote from the big book: and acceptance is the answer to all my problems today. when i am disturbed, it is because i find some person, place, thing or situation -- some fact of my life -- unacceptable to me, and i can find no serenity until i accept that person, place, thing or situation as being exactly the way it is supposed to be at this moment. nothing, absolutely nothing happens in god's world by mistake. until i could accept my alcoholism, i could not stay sober; unless i accept life completely on life's terms, i cannot be happy. i need to concentrate not so much on what needs to be changed in the world as on what needs to be changed in me and in my attitudes. this is powerful right here and it takes an inordinate amount of faith to be able to live this way. but if you can truly see life in this way then life will be so much smoother. it is also interesting that the 12 steps has become like a "cure all" for this 13th baktun that we are all in. we are born into a state of spiritual amnesia which causes all kinds of problems. and to climb the 12 steps restores us to a state of spiritual union with the universe. like saturn said, that is truly the greatest of blessings. love...
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