[GennadiyRom]

i am trying to write back but i been told that it is too short...maybe it will work now...?

wow

thank you for sharing too...awesome!!!!

yeah i feel the same way. and i think the most beautiful thing about the steps is that it presents their knowledge of a higher dimension in plain, basic, humble english language. i feel like the book mirrors the loo but in layman's terms.



awesome man! thanks for sharing, saturn! :d and do you think all of this is a direct result of the 12 steps? because, for me, the steps had a dramatic effect, in a practical way, on my life that reading the somewhat abstract concepts in the loo didn't do for me.

i know that everything that has been about my personal and spiritual growth on this planet is all to do with the 12 steps for sure....what has an even greater effect is reaching out to others and being there for them....it has taught me not to take myself to seriously and that my own drama is really soooooo not important...helping others brings me into more of a space to be free of me!!!! thank god!!!!! my head used to do the miles....what if....fears....blah blah...boring!!! since the steps and helping others...doing what i can to give to my community when i get the opportunity ....lifts me to a different place than i could have ever imagine exsisted...there is so much we don't know...but one person reaching out to another is how i found my feet and so i must continue this so others can be touched the way i was.... i found that another way the big book mirrors the loo is that it talks alot about sto! and it explains the value of it in a clear way. the big book describes the value of selfless service to others is a remedy for the egocentrism that we are afflicted with when we are born into this 3d world. when you selflessly provide service to other human beings then it keeps you out of your mind. it provides the same relief that people look for in other things such as the bottom of a liquor bottle. people fill that spiritual hole with all kinds of things. money, ambition, sex, food, ect...
yeah i agree....it took me awhile to admit i did things to benefit myself...now i keep in check my expectations and intentions....only giving when i can expect nothing back in return....the hole i have found is only filled with one thing....a connection to a higher power or whatever you want to call it...i call it the energy that is all around and inside and apart of everything thing else....source ...the energy that connects and holds the whole of the universe together.... and that there are differnt forms of egocentrics. many people think egocentric people are the ones who are "full of themselves" or think they are royalty and everyone should kiss their toes. but there are also those egocentric people with low self esteem who obsess over their perceived short comings and inferiority complexes. this latter group needs to "get over themselves" in the same way that the first group does.
well i guess the subpersonalities of all of vary....and can be expressed in as many ways as love can be expressed...with one thing in common....it always seperates us from others and the universal energy.... here is another quote from the big book:



this is powerful right here and it takes an inordinate amount of faith to be able to live this way. but if you can truly see life in this way then life will be so much smoother.

it is also interesting that the 12 steps has become like a "cure all" for this 13th baktun that we are all in. we are born into a state of spiritual amnesia which causes all kinds of problems. and to climb the 12 steps restores us to a state of spiritual union with the universe.
yes indeed we are all one!!!!!!let it be known!!!lol like saturn said, that is truly the greatest of blessings.
hey have a wonderful day and enjoy every moment.....in light and love,saturn love...