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Old 02-08-2009, 11:31 PM   #12
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Wouldn't showing the world HELP your cause? Wouldn't it make more people interested in studying and advancing the community if they had actual proof of its existance? Not quite. It would only stir more violence towards us, verbal or otherwise. Not to mention mass-media...
And anyway, those who have the sort of aptitude I mentioned above would seek information without need of public proof. You just have to feel it is there.

And that is an opinion, not a fact . Depends on how you look at it. I see it as a fact. Shamanism is quite possibly the oldest religion in existence, and their people not only used their own physical mind powers, but also interacted with the spirit worlds, their inhabitants, seeking guidance, help, and experience from them.

Who knows, the soul itself could be explained by science one day. I really hope it won't. So far, almost anything studied by science has become a victim to it's experiment. This planet itself has been a victim to all forms of science time and again. I really wish the soul is not sorted to the same fate.

Also, I have seen auras since I was child and have been astral projecting my entire life. I am not saying it doesn't exist, I am saying it has scientific explanations if it does exist. And that's why I don't generalize when it comes to atheists. By "pure" atheist, I meant the kind of person who only believes what the material eyes see.

...and magic isn't "complex".....?
Think about this.
Science isn't that complex. Just depends on how you look at it... I see it like this: science tries to achieve the complex through another complex. A more complicated, empricial route.

Magick (and all it's sub-sections) try to achieve the complex through the beauty and simplicity the human body and soul have been given since creation (or evolution, or however you consider the humans appeared here.)

Yes, science can do a lot of things, and most claim it's wonderful and enhances our lives greatly. I wholehearlty disagree. The benefits are great, yes, but to what cost? How many more can this planet take? It has suffered and suffered time and time again because of ignorant scientists who tinkered with it. We face ecological disaster and an eventual Earth exctinction just because of our hunger for knowledge. And I'm not saying knowledge is bad, just the route science takes is disastrous on the long-run.

Let's consider an important achievment, like space travel, reached by both methods. With science you need to do a huge ammount of modern research and design to build a suitable vessel, start space programs to train future-astronauts in it's operation, provide for proper equipment and (again) train them to use it, all investing a huge ammount of money, time, and effort. But to what end? It has a great chance something will go wrong and everything will fail, and even if it doesn't, you can only go so far into this physical world without proper understanding. It is a very empirical way of doing things. All ending by consuming a huge ammount of this planet's resources.

Now, consider a person (not even a modern person, because I'm sure ancient people could do it as well for countless centuries) astral-projecting. Traveling with their very astral body through great distances, indepent from technology or any artificial enhancers. Imagine the places (s)he could visit. The experiences they would gather. The knowledge they could learn and impart throughout the planes. The wonders they could behold. With no harm done to anyone or anything. All done harmoniously with the natural order. And you don't even need to be a true theist to do it, just a spiritual person. The possibilities are endless.

Once/If we will transcend our condition, will we need technology? Will we need science anymore? Think about this.
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