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**steevytraunse** · 05-13-2011, 08:01 AM

namaste Nara.

I agree, but Sangom's post gave me the impression that mantras, since they "may become nothing more than pure gibberish", their efficacy may also become such, outside the limits of Hinduism, which is the reason I quoted examples to indicate how the power of mantras benefit the whole world, although only believers chant them.

Dear Shri Nara, Saidevo,

What I intended to convey was that "mantras" (and not the equivalents in Arabian Nights or the abracadabra) will look like pure gibberish for people looking at them from outside the hindu system of beliefs.

One more point to be stated here is that during the 1980's there was a very prolonged summer in Mumbai. The tabra bigwigs there (probably with the blessings of Kanchi Acharya or some other religious head) arranged for varuna japam, in order to bring rains. Industrial drums of the size of the usual coal-tar drums we find during metalling and macadamising were made ready for the innumerable pundits (vadhyars) coming from the four southern states, to stand in and do the japam in neck-deep water. The elaborate rite spanned many days with no rains for many weeks even after the rite got over. Fiascos like this are not obviously kept on record.

(The fiasco was attributed, in hush-hush talks, to some chanters getting arrested late one night by the Police in the red-light district - Foras Road - of Mumbai for disorderly behaviour and the lack of ஆசாரம் & சுத்தம், etc.,

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Muraleedharaswami follows not even ISKCON but the Radhe-Krishna cult (is that the nimbarka sampradaaya?) prevalent in Brindavan and parts of Bengal.

The crux of any value to any mantra is the reproducibility of its/their efficacy. May be we ought to concentrate on this aspect and discuss further.

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steevytraunse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 467 Senior Member	namaste Nara. I agree, but Sangom's post gave me the impression that mantras, since they "may become nothing more than pure gibberish", their efficacy may also become such, outside the limits of Hinduism, which is the reason I quoted examples to indicate how the power of mantras benefit the whole world, although only believers chant them. Dear Shri Nara, Saidevo, What I intended to convey was that "mantras" (and not the equivalents in Arabian Nights or the abracadabra) will look like pure gibberish for people looking at them from outside the hindu system of beliefs. One more point to be stated here is that during the 1980's there was a very prolonged summer in Mumbai. The tabra bigwigs there (probably with the blessings of Kanchi Acharya or some other religious head) arranged for varuna japam, in order to bring rains. Industrial drums of the size of the usual coal-tar drums we find during metalling and macadamising were made ready for the innumerable pundits (vadhyars) coming from the four southern states, to stand in and do the japam in neck-deep water. The elaborate rite spanned many days with no rains for many weeks even after the rite got over. Fiascos like this are not obviously kept on record. (The fiasco was attributed, in hush-hush talks, to some chanters getting arrested late one night by the Police in the red-light district - Foras Road - of Mumbai for disorderly behaviour and the lack of ஆசாரம் & சுத்தம், etc., ) Muraleedharaswami follows not even ISKCON but the Radhe-Krishna cult (is that the nimbarka sampradaaya?) prevalent in Brindavan and parts of Bengal. The crux of any value to any mantra is the reproducibility of its/their efficacy. May be we ought to concentrate on this aspect and discuss further.
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