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**Mugflefusysef** · 04-01-2011, 04:09 AM

....Once anyone is born as a human being, the Laws of Karma comes into effect. It applies to Jeevan Mukhtas also. In fact it applies even to Avataras who are born as human beings. The Avataras do not have Prarabdha karma but they do have to experience the effect of this Janma's karma.

I am not sure how far the above is consistent with the Smartha tradition, however, I can say with confidence that the above view is not one SV tradition supports. I would like to place in record the SV view, not my view.

[1] Karma is for Jeevas, and it is in effect until the Jeeva gets moksham, i.e. release. Whether the jeeva takes a human birth or non-human birth, the effect of karma will be felt. The very fact of being born indicates the effect of karma.

[2] In as much as karma does not have beginning (anAti) it does not come into effect, it has always been present in the case of badda jeevas, only exceptions are Nithyasoories and Iswara -- they were always free of karma and will never be affected/afflicted by it.

[3] Avatara of Sriman Narayana are NOT a result of karma, but his own free will. In other words, the avatharas are not affected by karma, what we see as effects of karma, like Rama weeping, etc., are just drama, nATaka.

[4] To achieve moksha one must be free of all karma, good (puNya) and bad (pApA). While bad karma is like iron handcuffs, good karma is like golden handcuffs, both prevent the jeeva from the full enjoyment of union with Sriman Narayana.

[5] The only way for the karma, both good and bad, to be wiped clean is through Bhakti Yoga, passing through the three stages called bhakti, para-bhakti, and parama-bhakti. The prerequisite for the first stage of Bhakti is sincere practice of varna dharma.

[6] By ritual and total surrender to Sriman Narayana, called Prapatti, one can have Sriman Narayana take the place of Bhakti Yoga and get rid of all karma and realize moksham.

The above are not my views, but that of SV. I present these here to balance the views presented.

Cheers!

04-01-2011, 04:09 AM	#8
Mugflefusysef Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 540 Senior Member	....Once anyone is born as a human being, the Laws of Karma comes into effect. It applies to Jeevan Mukhtas also. In fact it applies even to Avataras who are born as human beings. The Avataras do not have Prarabdha karma but they do have to experience the effect of this Janma's karma. I am not sure how far the above is consistent with the Smartha tradition, however, I can say with confidence that the above view is not one SV tradition supports. I would like to place in record the SV view, not my view. [1] Karma is for Jeevas, and it is in effect until the Jeeva gets moksham, i.e. release. Whether the jeeva takes a human birth or non-human birth, the effect of karma will be felt. The very fact of being born indicates the effect of karma. [2] In as much as karma does not have beginning (anAti) it does not come into effect, it has always been present in the case of badda jeevas, only exceptions are Nithyasoories and Iswara -- they were always free of karma and will never be affected/afflicted by it. [3] Avatara of Sriman Narayana are NOT a result of karma, but his own free will. In other words, the avatharas are not affected by karma, what we see as effects of karma, like Rama weeping, etc., are just drama, nATaka. [4] To achieve moksha one must be free of all karma, good (puNya) and bad (pApA). While bad karma is like iron handcuffs, good karma is like golden handcuffs, both prevent the jeeva from the full enjoyment of union with Sriman Narayana. [5] The only way for the karma, both good and bad, to be wiped clean is through Bhakti Yoga, passing through the three stages called bhakti, para-bhakti, and parama-bhakti. The prerequisite for the first stage of Bhakti is sincere practice of varna dharma. [6] By ritual and total surrender to Sriman Narayana, called Prapatti, one can have Sriman Narayana take the place of Bhakti Yoga and get rid of all karma and realize moksham. The above are not my views, but that of SV. I present these here to balance the views presented. Cheers!
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