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**Ekrbcbvh** · 07-18-2010, 02:18 PM

I would like to know why in Naalayira Divyaprabandam 108 paasurams has been added as Raamanuja noothandadi at the last to make it complete? thanking you

Hi,

The answer to your question lies in the way SVs count the prabhandhams, the vadakalais and thenkalais.

There are three places where the counting differs, (i) Periyazhvar Thirumozi, (ii) Periya and Siriya Thirumadal of Thirumangai Azhvar, and (iii) iraamanusa nootrandati by Thiruvarangatthu amuthanaar who is not one of the 12 azhvars. However, both sects finally arrive at a nice round number of 24 prabhandhams adding up to an even 4000 pasurams.

The counts for Vadakalai and Thenkalai SVs are the same for 20 prabhandhams, leaving out four prabhandhams, Periyazhvar Thirumozhi, Siriya and Periya Thirumadal and Iramanusa nootrandati.

While their count of number of pasurmas of Periya and Sirirya Thirumadal are different, both kalais count them as two separate prabhandhams, adding up to 22 prabhandhams in total.

Vadakalais count all of Periyazhvar Pasurmas as one prabhandham and then they add Ramanuja Nootrandhati by Thiruvaranagaththu Amuthanaar as the 24th Prabhandham. Then, they break up Periya and Siriya Thirumadal, which are actually two long poems, into artificially separate pasurmas so that the pasuram count adds up to an even 4000. The authority for this way of counting for Vadakalais is Prabhandha Saram by Swami Sri Desikan.

The thenkalais, on the other hand, don't count Ramanuja Nootrandhati as part of the 4000 proper, though they revere it just as much as the Vadakalais. Instead, they count Periyazhavr pasurmas as two separate prabhandhams, the first 12 as Thiruppallandu and the balance as Periyazhvar Thirumozi, ending up with the same number of Prabhandhams as Vadakalai, namely 24. Then they parse Siriya and Periya Thirumadal in a different way such that they also end up with the same total pasuram count of 4000.

BTW, Siriya and Periya Thirumadal are probably the most exquisitely sensuous poems of all 4000 and is indeed a treat of all times. Traditional rendering of these two poems is sure to melt the heart of even the most jaded of us all, yours truly.

Hope this answers your question ....

07-18-2010, 02:18 PM	#6
Ekrbcbvh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	I would like to know why in Naalayira Divyaprabandam 108 paasurams has been added as Raamanuja noothandadi at the last to make it complete? thanking you Hi, The answer to your question lies in the way SVs count the prabhandhams, the vadakalais and thenkalais. There are three places where the counting differs, (i) Periyazhvar Thirumozi, (ii) Periya and Siriya Thirumadal of Thirumangai Azhvar, and (iii) iraamanusa nootrandati by Thiruvarangatthu amuthanaar who is not one of the 12 azhvars. However, both sects finally arrive at a nice round number of 24 prabhandhams adding up to an even 4000 pasurams. The counts for Vadakalai and Thenkalai SVs are the same for 20 prabhandhams, leaving out four prabhandhams, Periyazhvar Thirumozhi, Siriya and Periya Thirumadal and Iramanusa nootrandati. While their count of number of pasurmas of Periya and Sirirya Thirumadal are different, both kalais count them as two separate prabhandhams, adding up to 22 prabhandhams in total. Vadakalais count all of Periyazhvar Pasurmas as one prabhandham and then they add Ramanuja Nootrandhati by Thiruvaranagaththu Amuthanaar as the 24th Prabhandham. Then, they break up Periya and Siriya Thirumadal, which are actually two long poems, into artificially separate pasurmas so that the pasuram count adds up to an even 4000. The authority for this way of counting for Vadakalais is Prabhandha Saram by Swami Sri Desikan. The thenkalais, on the other hand, don't count Ramanuja Nootrandhati as part of the 4000 proper, though they revere it just as much as the Vadakalais. Instead, they count Periyazhavr pasurmas as two separate prabhandhams, the first 12 as Thiruppallandu and the balance as Periyazhvar Thirumozi, ending up with the same number of Prabhandhams as Vadakalai, namely 24. Then they parse Siriya and Periya Thirumadal in a different way such that they also end up with the same total pasuram count of 4000. BTW, Siriya and Periya Thirumadal are probably the most exquisitely sensuous poems of all 4000 and is indeed a treat of all times. Traditional rendering of these two poems is sure to melt the heart of even the most jaded of us all, yours truly. Hope this answers your question ....
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