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**XGoFivk7** · 11-04-2009, 01:50 AM

THE FACT ABOUT INDRA i HAVE GATHERED FROM READING SEVERAL BOOKS ON HINDU mYTHOLOGY, THE PURANAS AND SEEING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CULTURE IN A RATIONAL MANNER
Siva was definetely not a Vedic God.THe Rudras were there in the Vedic times and it evolved into Siva.
I feel that prioe to the vedic people there must have been some kind of phalic (linga worship) worship.This was nit liked by the Vedic people.In fact (I do not recollect correctly now who) Indra or one of the Vedic Devas were reerred to as sisira nasyahah meaning destroyer of lingas
The Dhasha Yanja episode itself is to bring Siva into the Vedic fold and give himea shre of the Havir
Vishnu as now we know was not in the Vedas.There is an indirect reference to the Vamana Avataram by the saying he measured the three worlds with his foot steps

I don't think Rudra evolving into Shiva is true. In our tradition, every deity has two aspects - fierce and calm. While Rudra is the fierce aspect, Shiva is the calmer one. From the Krishna-Yajurveda, you chant the Sri Rudram to calm the fierce Rudra. After Rudra is calmed, you chant the Chamakam to appeal to Shiva and ask for boons.

Sri Periavaal says the very investigation into who precedes what and the origin of Vedas into Vedic, pre-vedic and all is a fruitless exercise as the Vedas are "anadi" and "apauresheya". It may all do good to satisfy our scientific temper but should not take precedence over the value that we may gain from the Vedas itself.

11-04-2009, 01:50 AM	#24
XGoFivk7 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 419 Senior Member	THE FACT ABOUT INDRA i HAVE GATHERED FROM READING SEVERAL BOOKS ON HINDU mYTHOLOGY, THE PURANAS AND SEEING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CULTURE IN A RATIONAL MANNER Siva was definetely not a Vedic God.THe Rudras were there in the Vedic times and it evolved into Siva. I feel that prioe to the vedic people there must have been some kind of phalic (linga worship) worship.This was nit liked by the Vedic people.In fact (I do not recollect correctly now who) Indra or one of the Vedic Devas were reerred to *as sisira* nasyahah meaning destroyer of lingas The Dhasha Yanja episode itself is to bring Siva into the Vedic fold and give himea shre of the Havir Vishnu as now we know was not in the Vedas.There is an indirect reference to the Vamana Avataram by the saying he measured the three worlds with his foot steps I don't think Rudra evolving into Shiva is true. In our tradition, every deity has two aspects - fierce and calm. While Rudra is the fierce aspect, Shiva is the calmer one. From the Krishna-Yajurveda, you chant the Sri Rudram to calm the fierce Rudra. After Rudra is calmed, you chant the Chamakam to appeal to Shiva and ask for boons. Sri Periavaal says the very investigation into who precedes what and the origin of Vedas into Vedic, pre-vedic and all is a fruitless exercise as the Vedas are "anadi" and "apauresheya". It may all do good to satisfy our scientific temper but should not take precedence over the value that we may gain from the Vedas itself.
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