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**Cheeniandab** · 09-06-2009, 08:01 AM

Dear All,
It has been pondering over my mind for several years. Due to one's karma of the previous birth, he comes into existance in the next birth either as animal, man etc. Even as a human being, he/she borns in a rich family, poor family etc. This are absolutely due to past karma. So, when the environment in which one put in is by his/her last birth's karma. Therefore, his attitude and actions also depends on his environment/circumstances in which one is born/put in. Over and above this, the planets in one's horescope is also depends on the 'poorvajanma karma'. Based on horescope, one tells what would his future and how his life going to be. When such being the case, what is an independent action in one's life. In other words, everything is pre-determined. Therefore, there is nothing that one can do. EVerthing is already decided and one's thinking and action all depend on such pre-determind thing only. In short, one is destined to be atheist he will be or if he is destined tobe otherwise, he would be. Therefore, there is no independent action of any one. Everthing is pre-determined.

IS THIS THEROY CORRECT OR NOT !! IF NOT WHAT IS THE REASONABLE LOGICAL EXPLANTION !!

CAN ANYONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS MORE CLEARLY ?

REGARDS
BALACHANDRAN

You say:

1. That our present lives are governed by our past actions

2. That planetory positions affect our future

3. That everything is according to a grand scheme which is a result of one's karma

Let me try going backwards to your logic and try to analyse what it would lead to. What would have been the state of the mind in the previous birth? Bound by a previous karma... and so on and so forth. Then what would have been the karma of the first being that it has accrued so much karma that ordains multiple births?

If the above is confusing, I shall put it in a simpler way - In short I am questioning the origin of karma. How could karma arise/originate?

That if understood, would clear things a bit; which then leads one to ask the question - What is karma?

Just thought that I would add here;

Jadabaradhar was a very pious being and was well on the way to moksha (jivanmuktha, some might say). One day he happenned to see a deer near his hut and started to take care of it; and in course of time grew fond of it. It so happenned that when he breathed his last, the deer was the last thing he remembered. And thus, his next janma was a deer! The deer, in its life was very much detached from its group and lived a life of seclusion! (previous vasanas, someone mentioned about it in this thread). The story goes on that after the life of the deer, the soul reincarnated as a human and eventually attained moksha.

Important note: It is not to be assumed that regardless of whatever one does during one's lifetime, the soul attains the state what is thought of in the last moments.

So this is an apt example of how karma works - a desire for the deer here transformed the soul into the body of a deer itself. Why so? It is anybody's guess - could be that the soul felt the affection so much that it wanted to experience the life through one it loved so much (the deer, in this instance). Could be that it wanted to share the life of a deer, having loved it so much. Could be that the soul was driven to the one deep longing it had; to be fulfilled by living as a deer.

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Cheeniandab Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 416 Senior Member	Dear All, It has been pondering over my mind for several years. Due to one's karma of the previous birth, he comes into existance in the next birth either as animal, man etc. Even as a human being, he/she borns in a rich family, poor family etc. This are absolutely due to past karma. So, when the environment in which one put in is by his/her last birth's karma. Therefore, his attitude and actions also depends on his environment/circumstances in which one is born/put in. Over and above this, the planets in one's horescope is also depends on the 'poorvajanma karma'. Based on horescope, one tells what would his future and how his life going to be. When such being the case, what is an independent action in one's life. In other words, everything is pre-determined. Therefore, there is nothing that one can do. EVerthing is already decided and one's thinking and action all depend on such pre-determind thing only. In short, one is destined to be atheist he will be or if he is destined tobe otherwise, he would be. Therefore, there is no independent action of any one. Everthing is pre-determined. IS THIS THEROY CORRECT OR NOT !! IF NOT WHAT IS THE REASONABLE LOGICAL EXPLANTION !! CAN ANYONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS MORE CLEARLY ? REGARDS BALACHANDRAN You say: 1. That our present lives are governed by our past actions 2. That planetory positions affect our future 3. That everything is according to a grand scheme which is a result of one's karma Let me try going backwards to your logic and try to analyse what it would lead to. What would have been the state of the mind in the previous birth? Bound by a previous karma... and so on and so forth. Then what would have been the karma of the first being that it has accrued so much karma that ordains multiple births? If the above is confusing, I shall put it in a simpler way - In short I am questioning the origin of karma. How could karma arise/originate? That if understood, would clear things a bit; which then leads one to ask the question - What is karma? Just thought that I would add here; Jadabaradhar was a very pious being and was well on the way to moksha (jivanmuktha, some might say). One day he happenned to see a deer near his hut and started to take care of it; and in course of time grew fond of it. It so happenned that when he breathed his last, the deer was the last thing he remembered. And thus, his next janma was a deer! The deer, in its life was very much detached from its group and lived a life of seclusion! (previous vasanas, someone mentioned about it in this thread). The story goes on that after the life of the deer, the soul reincarnated as a human and eventually attained moksha. Important note: It is not to be assumed that regardless of whatever one does during one's lifetime, the soul attains the state what is thought of in the last moments. So this is an apt example of how karma works - a desire for the deer here transformed the soul into the body of a deer itself. Why so? It is anybody's guess - could be that the soul felt the affection so much that it wanted to experience the life through one it loved so much (the deer, in this instance). Could be that it wanted to share the life of a deer, having loved it so much. Could be that the soul was driven to the one deep longing it had; to be fulfilled by living as a deer.
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