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**Illirmpipse** · 06-23-2009, 06:58 PM

Dear Sapr,

There are verses in the rig where the dilemma of existence and/or non-exitence of god has been mentioned. This was atleast 1500bc. So this whole thing appears to be a very-very old quest, like did the chicken come first or the egg, did man create god or did god create man. I think man just started using science to understand god and himself as the overman, amongst others.

Dear Sri KRS-ji,

Cudn't help smiling at the similies b/w economics and physics as regards a closed system not allowing outside influence, and an open system having to take into account things that are unknowable. There is something similar in bio. The palindrome dna does not allow outside influence, it kills germs or foreign dna trying to enter the system. Yet it also chops up its own dna to help replicate it. The system is a closed one. But is being understood by observed changes.

Reg an error being present even with an observer being part of a closed system, i suppose a part of the difficulty wud include reconciling observed errors of a system (as is understood by observation) and errors of the cognitive understanding itself (thru which the system is sought to be understood).

Cud that have perhaps been a possible reason why the workings of the mind were first sought to be addressed by the ancients, so that one part of the error-fixation may be handled. But then sir, they too seem to have addressed or described a system after being a part of it, just as science does.

Regards.

06-23-2009, 06:58 PM	#18
Illirmpipse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 427 Senior Member	Dear Sapr, There are verses in the rig where the dilemma of existence and/or non-exitence of god has been mentioned. This was atleast 1500bc. So this whole thing appears to be a very-very old quest, like did the chicken come first or the egg, did man create god or did god create man. I think man just started using science to understand god and himself as the overman, amongst others. Dear Sri KRS-ji, Cudn't help smiling at the similies b/w economics and physics as regards a closed system not allowing outside influence, and an open system having to take into account things that are unknowable. There is something similar in bio. The palindrome dna does not allow outside influence, it kills germs or foreign dna trying to enter the system. Yet it also chops up its own dna to help replicate it. The system is a closed one. But is being understood by observed changes. Reg an error being present even with an observer being part of a closed system, i suppose a part of the difficulty wud include reconciling observed errors of a system (as is understood by observation) and errors of the cognitive understanding itself (thru which the system is sought to be understood). Cud that have perhaps been a possible reason why the workings of the mind were first sought to be addressed by the ancients, so that one part of the error-fixation may be handled. But then sir, they too seem to have addressed or described a system after being a part of it, just as science does. Regards.
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