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**Qdkczrdi** · 07-03-2006, 03:56 PM

Dear Anbu:
Wow! What a discourse! You are certainly a highly knowledgeable scholar!
I thought I was understanding everything until I came to the paragraph below. This is where I got lost. Are you saying that 'varnas' are not by birth and that people are sticking to their caste (varna) because they want to? Sorry, when I read your discourses with such deep meanings, I easily get lost!!
Thank you.

["It is a fertile ground for a person to manifest his Guna in his own environment, for example, a person with a Vaisya Guna (Rajasic Thamas) can easily manifest himself in the company of Vaisya parents and Vaisya community. Hindus see that also as a karma-phala. The secularists contend that everyone can do everything and so a Vaisya need not be a Vaisya and Sudhra need not be a Sudhra. To confine a person to a sect is a human right violation they say. Very well, try it out. I have no problem. We Hindus say that you can do what you want but the outcome will always be the same. It is also true that there is no gain without pain. The truth of this is for a person to find out for himself. But however much the secularists might cry aloud, not many people would risk abandoning their traits. It is their nature. If a person abandons his nature he would soon find out he is a fish out water when he abandons his nature.]"

07-03-2006, 03:56 PM	#13
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	Dear Anbu: Wow! What a discourse! You are certainly a highly knowledgeable scholar! I thought I was understanding everything until I came to the paragraph below. This is where I got lost. Are you saying that 'varnas' are not by birth and that people are sticking to their caste (varna) because they want to? Sorry, when I read your discourses with such deep meanings, I easily get lost!! Thank you. ["It is a fertile ground for a person to manifest his Guna in his own environment, for example, a person with a Vaisya Guna (Rajasic Thamas) can easily manifest himself in the company of Vaisya parents and Vaisya community. Hindus see that also as a karma-phala. The secularists contend that everyone can do everything and so a Vaisya need not be a Vaisya and Sudhra need not be a Sudhra. To confine a person to a sect is a human right violation they say. Very well, try it out. I have no problem. We Hindus say that you can do what you want but the outcome will always be the same. It is also true that there is no gain without pain. The truth of this is for a person to find out for himself. But however much the secularists might cry aloud, not many people would risk abandoning their traits. It is their nature. If a person abandons his nature he would soon find out he is a fish out water when he abandons his nature.]"
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