[agolutuaddiff]

I find it funny that same people that praise diversity and force multiculturalism on the world get really upset when American colleges actually get more diverse.

What's the problem with Asians (mostly Chinese and Indians) increasing their numbers in American colleges? Why does that always seem to be a problem? The alarm bells are never struck by the vile Racist White Nationalists are they? It's always the Rainbow coalition and the limousine leftists who find fault with a merit system that rewards the Hardest working students.


India and China were straight-up bitch slapped and humiliated by the western powers more-so than any other Countries on earth. Don't they have a right as "Colonial Victims" to have access to western universities? Isn't the "colonial oppressor argument" the blanket rationalization for everything?

Oh we can't have the kids of from the poster-child of brutal colonialism, India, outperforming the majority of all Americans. Then the "Blame whitey" argument falls apart. I'm not trying to start a flame war. I just think that it sucks that the Limousine left just completely ignores Asian-pacific Americans as an entire group just because we, for the most part, don't fit into their little social engineering plans.








http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/ny...drop.html?_r=1

At the same time, black representation among first-time freshmen at those colleges dropped, to 10 percent last fall from 17 percent in 2001. Over the same period, the Hispanic share rose slightly for several years, then fell once the recession began, to 18 percent, while the white portion fell slightly, to 35 percent.

Asians are now entering the top colleges in the greatest numbers, composing 37 percent of those classes, up from 25 percent a decade earlier.

[LindaSmithIV]

India and China were straight-up bitch slapped and humiliated by the western powers more-so than any other Countries on earth.

What?!

[sStevenRitziI]

What do you mean "don't fit into their little social engineering plans"?

[Edifsdubs]

Is there something like the equivalent of the "Jewish quota" or "numeurus clausus" in the USA, but targeting Asians?


Here's an article on Numeurus Clausus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota

[Rellshare]

I don't mind at all. The hardest working students should be enrolled, their race or ethnicity doesn't matter.

India and China were straight-up bitch slapped and humiliated by the western powers more-so than any other Countries on earth. Don't they have a right as "Colonial Victims" to have access to western universities? Isn't the "colonial oppressor argument" the blanket rationalization for everything?

Um, no. They don't have a right to do anything. Going to an American college should be seen as a privilege for foreigners, not a "right". It doesn't matter what the U.S. did or didn't do in the past.

[saumemeva]

This whole thread feels like a masked attempt of bragging.

[snova]

yeah, this does seem like a lame ego-thread.

[Yarmark]

OP is neither Chinese nor Indian. He just happens to dislike US leftists (they seem to be mental from my foreigner's point of view too).

[GuitarLoverBe]

I don't mind at all. The hardest working students should be enrolled, their race or ethnicity doesn't matter.



Um, no. They don't have a right to do anything. Going to an American college should be seen as a privilege for foreigners, not a "right". It doesn't matter what the U.S. did or didn't do in the past.

what I wrote was sarcasm.

[Gscvbhhv]

LOL. They are over-represented because they outsmart the white americans. You want to change the demographics, than improve your education system and get smarter than them.

[glamourcitys]

LOL. They are over-represented because they outsmart the white americans. You want to change the demographics, than improve your education system and get smarter than them.

They don't outsmart Americans in general. It's only due to the fact that only the brightest members of their countries get accepted to American universities.

[I9dydJrX]

They don't outsmart Americans in general. It's only due to the fact that only the brightest members of their countries get accepted to American universities.

Yeah but their education systems tend to be better than US education systems. I'm talking primary/secondary education.

[fudelholf]

LOL. They are over-represented because they outsmart the white americans. You want to change the demographics, than improve your education system and get smarter than them.

This somewhat misses the point, since some of the Indian, Chinese, and other Asians in US colleges today are in fact 2nd or even 3rd generation, and actually attended US schools with other groups.

It reminds me of being in a high school biology class, where they posted grades on the wall, ordered by percentage. Like the first 6 names were Nguyen, then came all of the Smith, Jackson, Gomez, etc. Asians being ostracized as nerdy, this starts before college, when they are putting up numbers like that.

So it's actually more like "improve your divorce and out-of-wedlock childbirth rates, and your overall cultural attitude towards education". Or something like that.

Now the deeper question is what happens to their 4th, 5th, etc. generations... will these cultural traits that promote educational performance become diluted and corrupted.

Also note the OP was aimed not at under performing white Americans, but at other minority groups. White Americans don't spend a lot of time "blaming whitey" for their failures, other than a few identity crisis headcases on forums like this.

[pissmanvd]

They don't outsmart Americans in general. It's only due to the fact that only the brightest members of their countries get accepted to American universities.

Wickedgirl. I hope you know that the vast majority of East Asians and South Asians at American universities are from the US themselves and are second or third generation students like amerinese pointed out.

UC Berkeley is a perfect example of a top American university overrepresented by East and South Asians. They make up like 40% of the student population despite being tiny minorities in the overall state and country population. Ivies are even overrepresented by East and South Asians but not as much as the UC's (who banned affirmative action thanks to Prop 209) because they have different policies.

Although, it is true the brightest students from India and China get accepted to American universities. That's because how competitive it is for international students to get in and because they are competing with the top students from their respective countries for the few spots given to international students.

[formobilagsw]

Is there something like the equivalent of the "Jewish quota" or "numeurus clausus" in the USA, but targeting Asians?


Here's an article on Numeurus Clausus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota

Not exactly, but from what I understand they have to get higher grades/score higher on the SATs than anyone to have a chance at getting into a good school. Supposedly the black/Hispanic quota in top American colleges is given mostly at their expense.

[Serttyfd]

Although, it is true the brightest students from India and China get accepted to American universities. That's because how competitive it is for international students to get in and because they are competing with the top students from their respective countries for the few spots given to international students.

More than academic excellence, students doing their International Baccalaureate, Cambridge Advanced Level or the Indian ICSE/CBSE syllabuses, who want to pursue an under-graduation abroad start corresponding with the college and actively exhibiting interest in their institution almost two years prior to finishing their schooling. There are also a fair number of counselling firms that help the student write up their curriculum vitae, identify and thereon capitalize on their strengths in both extra-curricular activities and academics, and engage the prospective colleges in an appropriate manner. So yes, the intellectual crème de la crème of the immigrants from India are the ones who get seats in prestigious American colleges. Within India, it's even more competitive, for instance, to get into the IITs here. Kids start IIT coaching classes (which is more or less a preparation for the IIT entrance test) as early as the 6th grade! The competition is just that intense and to get into the top IITs, you'd have to get a nation-wide rank of no less than 300. As a people, we're still very much an education-oriented people.

[km2000]

It is really expensive to get into a university for an Indian. Specially at the UG level. But many can afford it, not sure what the scholarship ceiling is now, but back in the 90's it was like 35-40% maximum (could be totally wrong here); for over seas candidates. PG level courses and doctorates are easier to get into, cause the alma mater has decent tie ups with the US university.

[altosburg]

It is really expensive to get into a university for an Indian. Specially at the UG level.

I have friends who're paying anywhere between 20-30 lakh rupees for their under-graduate course in various North-American universities (American/Canadian), per annum. Do note, that this is only the tuition fee, and there are other costs to provide for too such as hostel facilities, food, stationery, pocket-money and other miscellaneous expenses. From a personal perspective, it really doesn't make much sense to me to do my under-graduation abroad given the horrendous amount you have to pay, and the fact that an under-graduate degree doesn't get you as good a job as one would ideally aim for. It's merely a preliminary degree. Now, doing your post-graduation abroad is a different question.

[BJEugene]

nuttin' wrong with that.
the bell curve + hard work in action so to speak.
no need for affirmative blaction for these folks eh?

[unishisse]

I think, since money is a factor -too-, this demographics will start to needle point. As China and India get more money, people can far easier afford to get in. Not that dumb people will be a totality, but the overall %'s should rise, since one factor is easy to accomplish, being money. Of course entrance scores and academic background matter.