[Derrida]

Ok, my theory is that Feminism:

The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. Is good and has been a crucial part of modern democracy, it has been a deciding factor in creating equality between the sexes, Equality:

The state of being equal, esp. in status, rights, and opportunities. That is still needed to be reached in our society today, this equality is not only a battle for women, but also for men in that men today also have several areas where we are discriminated against due to our sex.

A short "documentary"/Debate about women in the middle east today:

http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/wo...e-east-0022198

Some parts taken from a talk by Michael Parenti, which touches on historical events:



One of the biggest battlefields is the language, even today we use terms such as Women, which literary means "with man", there are many more like this, some have been looked into, but many still need to be reviewed...

Kk i will leave it there for now, best save some of my points for later

[sDePrx59]

I like powerful women, especially in bed.

That is still needed to be reached in our society today, this equality is not only a battle for women, but also for men in that men today also have several areas where we are discriminated against due to our sex.

I have never been discriminated by being a man.

[Vipvlad]

I like powerful women, especially in bed.

I have never been discriminated by being a man.

I dont know what rights are in your country, but in Norway women have more rights concerning child custody and also in several job/study related situations where they are positively given "extra" points as to get ahead...

[xrumerang]

One of the biggest battlefields is the language, even today we use terms such as Women, which literary means "with man", there are many more like this, some have been looked into, but many still need to be reviewed...

I truly hope people don´t really argue over crap like that. If so they must be bored to death. That is pretty much the epitome of a non-issue right there.

I have never been discriminated by being a man.

But I bet you´ve never gone through a divorce or a custody battle. Those are the circumstances in which such discrimination can often occur.

[Master_B]

I truly hope people don´t really argue over crap like that. If so they must be bored to death. That is pretty much the epitome of a non-issue right there.

There are more important issues, but these things are actually hard battles for some traditionalists versus modernists, everyone have their reasons...

[doogiehoussi]

Ok, my theory is that Feminism:

The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

Is this really your view on Feminism?

[cakaeroryrere]

I truly hope people don´t really argue over crap like that. If so they must be bored to death. That is pretty much the epitome of a non-issue right there.

Quite the contrary. They are extreamly important. Through language you express the state, or nature of things - what is considered to be true and false.

"One man, one vote"

"A small step for man, a big step for man-kind"

"All men are created equal"

and so on...

Women are compleatly overlooked. But what are men without women? Nothing really. Just a group of soon-to-be homosexuals with a death-mark on their species' head.

For virtuall all mammals there are males and females. Together they comprise a species. You would NEVER refer to only "male horses" as horses, and female horses as something else the way that people use "Man" when they really mean "Humanity" or "Human".

It's not just unfair - it's compleatly fucking absurd.

I am in no way a feminist (other than that I subscribe to women having all rights that men have etc) but to speak of a species where 50% of them belong to one sex and just ignore the other is ridiculous.

P.S. The abrahamic religions are mostly to blame for this stuff. They fooled people into thinking that "man" is the basis for mankind when it's in fact the other way around; women are the prototype. That's why men have nipples, for instance.

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[Doctor-CTAC]

Is this really your view on Feminism?

That is the definition on feminism, but yes my attitude is pretty much in-line with that...

[zoolissentesy]

Is good and has been a crucial part of modern democracy, it has been a deciding factor in creating equality between the sexes, Equality:

That is a Marxist definition of Feminism. I do support the women rights and I also know there are several definitions of Feminism. I will focus on yours.

Women live in the same conditions equality conditions in relevance to the men now than 500 hundred years ago. Keep in mind in mind there where a lot of social changes.
Marie Antoinette had all the freedoms a woman can enjoy and also participation in politics, if you think the average women at that time have less rights, well you should know the average men didn't had rights at that time.
For the Aristocracy, the only free social class, women were free and powerful.

The difference between sexes is an illusion created by leftist politicians, for most part of the humanity the woman had a powerful position.
Napoleon got part of his power because he married an important woman, Marie Louise of Austria.


Now women don't live better or worse than 100 or 200 hundred years ago.

[fluistulkn]

I have never been discriminated by being a man.

In front of the police or in front of a Judge, you will be, believe me.
It's basically near impossible to win against a woman in those occurences.
Then there are many places when libidinous employers would choose a woman before a man (I personally would ).

[AcecePesFeacy]

I like powerful women, especially in bed.


I have never been discriminated by being a man.

I like powerful women (in politics) AS LONG as they have the right views.

Thus, I prefer a Christian Democratic or Sweden-Democratic lady over a pathetic male feminist (like Audun Lysbakken for instance)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audun_Lysbakken

especially in bed. She spanks you? Or a strap-on?

[ziIReIGS]

Woman first priority are their children, then their jobs and professional career. Of course many women don't do this anymore, that's why there are so many fucked up children.

And it sin't men responsibility to take care of the children, that's against nature, we are the hunters, you stay.

[katetomson]

Women automatically have privilege & status in society. Demanding "Equality" is just another demand for more privilege. Women are protected (by men); men have much less privilege in society.

If a world war erupts then who gets sent to the frontlines to die??? ~ men do. Women do not, because they are a privileged and integral aspect of almost every society, culture, group, religion, etc.

By the way, this is not a complaint… I'm just stating the facts.

[Bymnbypeten]

Quoting from another thread about feminism:

I think initially feminism was a positive thing, especially in the 60´s when women started using birth control and gained some sexual liberties. Birth control put men and women on more equal ground regarding casual and pre-marital sex, because before the pill, men were the only ones who could have sex without the possibility of becoming pregnant.
Of course, this also lead to an increase in in sexual activity for both sexes, the consequences of which were not entirely positive (stds, aids, teenage pregnancy/single motherhood, etc). These things were obviously already happening and had been happening since the dawn of time, but they began to happen at a much faster rate (this can also be blamed on population growth, not just feminism)
Society also became much more open and things which were once tabu started being exposed and discussed, thus giving the impression that people were doing things that they hadn´t been doing before... which isn´t exactly true.

Because of these events, there seems to have been a backlash and feminism took a different turn. Sex, which had before been considered a positive and empowering force for women, became viewed as a means of oppression and control by men. Wome were discouraged from being feminine and sexy because this somehow diminished their intellectual capacity. They were now supposed to be equal with men on every level, which lead to a loss of their identity as women altogether. gender lines becamed blurred and women who had once been content to be wives and mothers had their roles de-valued and felt pressure to be "something more" as if being a woman was simply not enough. Thats´s where the whole thing basically went to shit.

[Optosypoeds]

That is a Marxist definition of Feminism. I do support the women rights and I also know there are several definitions of Feminism. I will focus on yours.

Women live in the same conditions equality conditions in relevance to the men now than 500 hundred years ago. Keep in mind in mind there where a lot of social changes.
Marie Antoinette had all the freedoms a woman can enjoy and also participation in politics, if you think the average women at that time have less rights, well you should know the average men didn't had rights at that time.
For the Aristocracy, the only free social class, women were free and powerful.

The difference between sexes is an illusion created by leftist politicians, for most part of the humanity the woman had a powerful position.
Napoleon got part of his power because he married an important woman, Marie Louise of Austria.


Now women don't live better or worse than 100 or 200 hundred years ago.

You cant use exceptions versus the rule, it was only during the last century that women got rights to vote, own property ect...so to say that women had the same opportunities in the past is simply wrong.

In the past women had little freedoms compared to now, the worst example is such as Classical Greece where women was not even considered humans, and were not expected to go outside the house unless totally necessary..

Woman first priority are their children, then their jobs and professional career. Of course many women don't do this anymore, that's why there are so many fucked up children.

And it sin't men responsibility to take care of the children, that's against nature, we are the hunters, you stay.

Its in our nature to do lots of things, such as kill and rape, should we not strive to be better then that?

Men are not hunters anymore, for most of us we have been farmers for most of our recorded history, and in modern times we have been allot of various things, should that define us in the future too? you have a very low opinion on women it seems...

did you know that women do more work in the world then men and that it has been like that since at least the dawn of agriculture, what does that tell you...?

[vaalmerruutel]

You cant use exceptions versus the rule, it was only during the last century that women got rights to vote, own property ect...so to say that women had the same opportunities in the past is simply wrong.

In the past men (male) didn't have right to vote. So both Genders were equal.

In the past women had little freedoms compared to now, the worst example is such as Classical Greece where women was not even considered humans, and were not expected to go outside the house unless totally necessary..

During the same time and few miles away the Etruscan government decisions were made by men and women.

[excholza]

In the past men (male) didn't have right to vote. So both Genders were equal.

Lets take some examples:

- Ancient Athens, all Athenian born men(men of two Athenian parents), not women..
- Ancient Rome, Men given voting rights (depending on birth status, somewhat similar to Athens) not women.

Middle ages:

During the same time and few miles away the Etruscan government decisions were made by men and women.

Do you have any sources for this? last i heard their government styles where mostly monarchy...

[Haremporblape]

Do you have any sources for this? last i heard their government styles where mostly monarchy...

A lot of sources, I can put all here but it will be off topic. I have studied the Etruscan several times in my life and It is well know the women were very important, even the Greek Historians from that time used to describe the Etruscan as liberals.

from wikiepedia:

Lets take some examples:

- Ancient Athens, all Athenian born men(men of two Athenian parents), not women..
- Ancient Rome, Men given voting rights (depending on birth status, somewhat similar to Athens) not women.

Middle ages:

1) Those are isolated examples, lets take this example:
Etruscan society:
-Women lead the house economy.
-Women can keep her name
-Women can be religious and political leader.

2) In ancient Rome there were a lot of men with no rights, basically everybody that was not a Pater (house father) didnt have rights.
Roman boys living with their fathers were no citizens until they didn't get their own house.

- Non-Sufferage rights from 1700's onwards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...than_voting%29
Modern times (Voting):



Its not that men had the right to vote that is the main issue, its that women have since the beginning of recorded history had less rights in the same time frame as men, thus being an unequal society in terms of legals matters, social matters is another thing all together..

It is an achievement of the democracy, Feminist had nothing to do with that.

If it were an achievement of the feminism, it is very wrong. Because women are entitled to vote for being human beings and not for being women.

Universal suffrage is a reality.
Female suffrage, is a myth because no one ask the gender at the moment of the inscription.

[cut sifted ephedra sinica]

Its in our nature to do lots of things, such as kill and rape, should we not strive to be better then that?

Men are not hunters anymore, for most of us we have been farmers for most of our recorded history, and in modern times we have been allot of various things, should that define us in the future too? you have a very low opinion on women it seems...

OK not hunters, but someone have to take care of the children, you can't let TV to educate them, and women have the genetic ability to raise children that men don't have.

And it isn't in our nature to rape and kill, that's an ape instinct that was almost erased after language appeared, some individuals seems to have it though.

did you know that women do more work in the world then men and that it has been like that since at least the dawn of agriculture, what does that tell you...?

That's just feminist propaganda, men always do the hard job and bring the food to the table, wile women complain.

I don't have a low opinion on women, but society has to accept that men and women are not the same and have different responsibility. Women have to rasie children to be good people.

[HoniSoniproca]

A lot of sources, I can put all here but it will be off topic. I have studied the Etruscan several times in my life and It is well know the women were very important, even the Greek Historians from that time used to describe the Etruscan as liberals.

I would love some english sources on this as i am not very familiar with Etruscan gender roles..sorry for the late reply by the way..

1) Those are isolated examples, lets take this example:
Etruscan society:
-Women lead the house economy.
-Women can keep her name
-Women can be religious and political leader.

2) In ancient Rome there were a lot of men with no rights, basically everybody that was not a Pater (house father) didnt have rights.
Roman boys living with their fathers were no citizens until they didn't get their own house.

The typical historical trend is clear, that women had less political and social rights then men..

It is an achievement of the democracy, Feminist had nothing to do with that.

If it were an achievement of the feminism, it is very wrong. Because women are entitled to vote for being human beings and not for being women.

Universal suffrage is a reality.
Female suffrage, is a myth because no one ask the gender at the moment of the inscription.

There could be no democracy without women rights being elevated from what it was prior to universal suffrage, it has nothing to do with being a women, it has to do with being equal in rights to men..

OK not hunters, but someone have to take care of the children, you can't let TV to educate them, and women have the genetic ability to raise children that men don't have.

Women can do that, but they should be able to choose freely if they want to have children at all, and in most countries we now have kindergarten and schools that take care of children...

And it isn't in our nature to rape and kill, that's an ape instinct that was almost erased after language appeared, some individuals seems to have it though.

Humans are a violent species, to rape and kill is part of our history and it has been like that since the dawn of penis.. We have even developed biological to protect against rape, that is why women usually get "wet" when being raped, its to protect them from vaginal tear ect...

That's just feminist propaganda, men always do the hard job and bring the food to the table, wile women complain.

I don't have a low opinion on women, but society has to accept that men and women are not the same and have different responsibility. Women have to rasie children to be good people.

Its not propaganda, its a historical fact, prior to the industrial revolution it was common in all countries for whole families to work together in the fields, cottages ect, in most cases the women did the majority of the work, and taking care of the children...the working man image you have is a new creation of the industrial revolution, so is the nuclear family unit...

here is a quick summary of the numbers:



you do have a low opinion of women if you think they are good or bad depending on wether or not they have children ect..