[Misebeita]

This is an old map based on outdated Dienekes run. BTW the sample use there consisted of Vologda Russians that have elevated Asian admix compared to Russians.

Where is the better map?

Additionally I have to point out that West Asian and Siberian are not equal in terms of admix. One is Caucasoid element close to Euro ones while the latter is quite foreign. Circular argumentation and unbased assumptions. How do you define what is foreign in Europe? So West Asian admix is more European than Siberian admix because most of today's Europeans have a good share of the former instead of the latter. That means that if most Europeans have excessive SS African admix in the future, and if as a consequence West Asian admix becomes marginal, then SSA admix has to be considered European whereas West Asian is more foreign.

[opelayday]

Where is the better map?

Circular argumentation and unbased assumptions. How do you define what is foreign in Europe? So West Asian admix is more European than Siberian admix because most of today's Europeans have a good share of the former instead of the latter. That means that if most Europeans have excessive SS African admix, and if as a consequence West Asian admix becomes marginal, then SSA admix has to be considered European whereas West Asian is more foreign.

West Asian is just genetically much closer to European than both African and Siberian components so there's nothing arbitrarry about the things I say.

Here you go with a Polacko's genetic map

[Eltabaco]

Kursk, Tver, Smolensk,Bryansk,Tula,Saratov,Voronezh counties just to name a few.

Some of those places remind me of old Finnish settlements.

[Promotiona]

West Asian is just genetically much closer to European than both African and Siberian components so there's nothing arbitrarry about the things I say.

Here you go with a Polacko's genetic map

No, Padre Organtino, West Asians are closer to most Europeans than the Siberians because most Europeans have these West Asian non-European components. If Finnics are the ultimate and real Europeans, then Siberian is more European than West Asian. Why would you consider "Indo-Europeans" to be more European than Finnics? Think about it for a while and you'll notice the circle.

[quack!]

No, Padre Organtino, West Asians are closer to most Europeans than the Siberians because most Europeans have these West Asian non-European components. If Finnics are the ultimate and real Europeans, then Siberian is more European than West Asian. Why would you consider "Indo-Europeans" to be more European than Finnics? Think about it for a while and you'll notice the circle.

Nope, Georgians are also closer to Basques who have effectively zero Anantolian/West Asian component than any really Siberian population. You seem to have a trouble understanding that Caucasoid population have diverged from each other much later than from non-Caucasoid ones. Of course Northern Euros have a bit higher affinity with East Asians than otehr Caucasoids even without Siberian admix (common Paleolithic ancestry) but that's about it.

[Jeaxatoem]

These "who is whiter" threads keep Finns busy. They are diligent in participating there.

[doksSirmAdods]

These "who is whiter" threads keep Finns busy. They are diligent in participating there.

I think the ultimate thread should be Spaniards vs Finns with Abenjaldun and Motorhead as heavy artillery from both sides.

[Grennios]

These "who is whiter" threads keep Finns busy. They are diligent in participating there.

Yes, this is topic of uttermost importance for all Finns. Especially if we are whiter than some thirdworld turko-slavs. That would make us allmost genetically Europeans you know.

[Pete789]

These "who is whiter" threads keep Finns busy. They are diligent in participating there.

I was just waiting when you come and say your enlightened opinion about who are real ethnic Russians.

[mosypeSom]

Nope, Georgians are also closer to Basques who have effectively zero Anantolian/West Asian component than any really Siberian population. You seem to have a trouble understanding that Caucasoid population have diverged from each other much later than from non-Caucasoid ones. Of course Northern Euros have a bit higher affinity with East Asians than otehr Caucasoids even without Siberian admix (common Paleolithic ancestry) but that's about it.

Georgian caucasoids are non-European. The whole question about genetic Europeanness (West Asian vs. Siberian) is just as relevant as the question who are more American, those who have predominantly English or German ancestry.

[conurgenceDen]

Georgian caucasoids are non-European. The whole question about genetic Europeanness (West Asian vs. Siberian) is just as relevant as the question who are more American, those who have predominantly English or German ancestry.

They're still closer to any European group than say Mongols. So once again - Russians having more Med and Anatolian than Finns does not prevent them from being more Euro genetically as they have less East Asian.

[cucceevevaind]

Russians having more Med and Anatolian than Finns does not prevent them from being more Euro genetically as they have less East Asian.

Russians are more East Asian than Finns are.

[vekiuytyh]

Russians are more East Asian than Finns are.

Not really. I thought Finns being more admixed with East Asians than Russians was a commond knowledge to everyone including Finns themselves.

[zenihan]

Not really. I thought Finns being more admixed with East Asians than Russians was a commond knowledge to everyone including Finns themselves.

Well "common knowledge" about Finns seldom match with scientific facts like we see here.

[ValintinoV]

Finns are not as white as eggs. Damned eggs, 1000% Europeans.

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Not really. I thought Finns being more admixed with East Asians than Russians was a commond knowledge to everyone including Finns themselves.

Finns admixed with Koreans and Japanese, you say? I'm impressed we managed to screw all across Siberia.

[Unwiseevove]

They're still closer to any European group than say Mongols. So once again - Russians having more Med and Anatolian than Finns does not prevent them from being more Euro genetically as they have less East Asian.

Georgians are closer to Europeans than Mongols are, okay. That's true. And that proves WHAT? The fact is that West Asians = non-European, Siberians = non-European. The Russians have more East Asian than the Finns.

[gagagaridze]

Padre Organic is caucasian. They live in mountains and have long distances to schools. Forgive him.

[shanice]

Not really. I thought Finns being more admixed with East Asians than Russians was a commond knowledge to everyone including Finns themselves.

There is hardly any East Asian admix amongst the Finns but it's fairly typical amongst the Russians.

[Gulauur]

Josef Stalin was whiter.

[drycleden]

Well "common knowledge" about Finns seldom match with scientific facts like we see here.

It actually does match those facts in this case though certainly one must take those "popular opinions" with a grain of salt

Finns admixed with Koreans and Japanese, you say? I'm impressed we managed to screw all across Siberia.

Let's try to imitate serious talk. I obviously meant North Asian/Siberian admix and not Far East Asians. Pardon me for creating this confusion.

Georgians are closer to Europeans than Mongols are, okay. That's true. And that proves WHAT? The fact is that West Asians = non-European, Siberians = non-European. The Russians have more East Asian than the Finns.

Well, as I've mentioned you have more East Asian/Siberian than Russians and that's a genetic fact. Secondly to explain why there is a difference between it and say West Asian I can give you the following example: two halfblood guys. One is from Nigerian mother and Finnic father. Another is from Romanian mother and Finnic father (let's not go into details of how that's possible). Both guys have non-Finnic ancestries (i.e. their mothers are not Finnic genetically). Yet one of them will be miles closer to Finns genotypically and phenotypically. The same logic works for those principal components, inferred by ADMIXTURE.