Apperance wise, would they be called "spanish" or black?
 

From the "typical american" view of how a black (african-american for the politically correct) or a "spanish" (latino or hispanic for the poltiically corrects) person is to "supposed" to look like, how would the TYPICAL american would classify these folks right here - soley based ON their APPERANCE?

And also explain WHAT makes them "black" or "latino"?


First: http://mokellyreport.files.wordpress...uincybrown.jpg

Second: http://www.themusicgroupagency.com/A...EN%20PAYNE.jpg

Third: http://www.reclinergm.com/images/hawks-al-horford.jpg

Fourth: http://www.topnews.in/files/images/KD-Aubert.jpg

fifth: http://www.tvoneblogs.com/thespin/wp...aditsnight.jpg

sixth: http://givemetherock.com/wp-content/...sco-garcia.jpg

seventh: http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-pho...ung-0twtw8.jpg

eighth: http://www.realhiphopsince79.com/sit.../04/j-cole.jpg

ninth: http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-...los_boozer.jpg (except the white dude).

tenth: http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po...c%20Holder.jpg

eleventh: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/6K289...ani+Dos+Santos

That's too easy. You can distinguish the last names.

In any case, it is very hard to confuse Black Americans with latinos.

Yeah i realized that but my point about this thread was that it's not supposed to come from your own personal view but from [what you think the] "typical american" view of what a latino/hispanic or black person is "supposed" to look like.

It's very imprecise. I've been asked if I was "Spanish" before by a Jamaican dude (in NYC), no less. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/laugh.gif

It's more about culture than looks.

In most cases you can't tell the difference between Black Latinos and Blacks. The difference is the admixture is spanish european as opposed to more northern european with african. The teeth ridges are very telling in some cases. They have the spanish buckteeth. I also recognize many of those people. And for some the spanish surname was given in the link.

My guess:
L,B,B,B,L,L,L,L,B,B,L.

BTW- I've been mistaken for a black latino on many occasions when I was on the east coast or in the caribbean. Except it turns out all my DNA matches on my maternal side are Cuban. Aww. Shit, that could make me part latino.

Solely based on their appearance, they would think they are African-Americans, of the lighter type. Of course, that's without knowing their backgrounds, names etc.

Hispanic is not a racial term but ethnic. Even though, the mixtures are different.

Let me put it clearly, if you are comparing different degrees of admixtures between Black, White and Amerindian there are the following facts:

(1) Black Americans are mainly Africans Yoruba, while Hispanic Caribbeans are mainly Congoid.

(2) Black American main European input is Anglosaxon-Germanic, while in the Hispanic Caribbean the main European input is Iberian.

(3) Black American main Amerindian input is Silvid, while in the Hispanic Caribbean the main input is Taino, an Amazonian derivated people (Watch for the Yanomami)

http://yanomami.galeon.com/imagen_index.jpg

(4) The level of admixture are different.

Common, a Canadian Meti looks absolutely different from a South American mestizo.

So, it is not so diffult to tell both group appart.

The average American does not know about those subtle, and sometimes not so subtle, differences. He's not asking about how Anthroforum members will classify them, but how they'd be seen by "typical" Americans.

Well I don't have to look at all of the pictures to admit that the laymen (american) would call those of "highly visible" African admixture black, in contrast to those of very "diluted," yet slightly visible admixture (to my eyes) latino or mixed. Of course, this is based on first glance. The language and last name may (and probably will) change certain eye-balled notions of ethnicity.

Of course, I can say that the average person I've met views "hispanic" as a true "race", for some reason.

That's what I gather, but a helluva generalization there.

LOL, I remember telling my Albanian American friend who played the female character in the movie Avatar (Zoe Saldena). I mentioned she was Dominican, he proceeded to look up her picture and told me she looked black. "Looked" being the keyword: he didn't say she was black. I reckon it might've been different if he saw her before I told him her nationality.

What's even more strange (for Americans) is that demographically, the large majorities of Hispanics are not mixed with Black peoples. In any case, the demography of Latin America is not the same at all that the demography of Hispanics in the U.S. In the last group there is a predominant presence of Mexicans and Caribbeans. But in Latin America Mexicans are only 1 in 6 Latinos, and Caribbeans are only 1 in 20 Latinos!!

Perhaps, most are not significantly mixed with blacks, but I'd wager that a fairly great percentage have slightly detectable African admix, based on certain structure graphs, studies and 23andme results.


That seems about right. I'd say my area has mostly Central American Latinos.

most whites can't decipher people of different ethnic groups of visible african ancestry that overlap based just on VISUAL APPERANCE

They'd all be 'black' in America, but it doesn't mean that they still wouldn't be seen as Latino, mixed or whatever. Remember..... 'black' has many shades.

Spanish buck teeth? Care to show me some examples? The gal in the fourth pix has nice eyes.

I am not a Yank. They look "Colored" in the African direction. They don't look at all Spanish just various African Americans. The Hispanic is just a cultural appellation and has no racial meaning.

Don't be too concerned for what others mistake you for. I have been taken as a Frenchman in France, and Italian in Italy, a Irishman in Ireland, a Pommy bastard in English, a Scot in Scotland....until I open my mouth. Most people don't know shit from clay. I am Maltese.

Good points. But what would you say about Brazilians?

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I take it back. I just noticed some have prominent upper teeth and could just as easily be British instead of Spanish.

Sorry to burst your bubble but their are many Yoruba descent in Cuba and Brazil, if not they wouldnt be worshipping the Orishas.

Also black Americans are mainly Igo/Cameroon/Senegalese descent, not specifically Yoruba

Balooney. "Black" Americans are mulatoes with a huge complex of inferiority becuase theirs mulatoness... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/whoco.gif

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Yes, you are not a Yankee. You are a Maltese that have no idea but that can't keep the mouth shut. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...milies/mad.gif

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Brazilians vary by region. Mulato and triracials in the North East, Indigenous in the Interior, mainly Med in the South. What about them?

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Yes, there are Yorubas, too. That's why the Cuba ignorant poors believed Castro was Ochun... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/smile.gif But even in the Black component of theirs Mulatoes, Black Americans are different from Blacks in Latin America.

This is for you,



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In any case, for Hispanic Americans is relatively easy to detect a Hispanic Caribbean Mulato for its White or Amerindian features, that are obvious in admixture.

Within in this forum, we obviously know that hispanic is not an "actual" race but the average/typical american thinks it is however. Most americans think you have to have a certain "look" to be called hispanic. Which is why I made a thread about this.

BTW, my Afram friend has been called "spanish" by many people (including whites too) just soley based on his apperance. Pic of him is here: http://www.hayfieldpictures.com/Misc...42_bcTRG-XL-LB

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Even this guy? http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/6K289...ni+Dos+Santos?

His looks are fairly rare in the AA community. IMO, They'd (most americans) would label him latino for sure before calling him AA.

Was about to say, he's neither Latino nor black but a Turkish basketballing legend.http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/wink.gif

I think that in places where the Latino population is made up of large segments of mixed-race Afrodescendants, Americans, both black and white, are able to differentiate between those and African-Americans. For one thing, those Latinos have more Euro, particularly South Euro, admixture than most AAs, and their own look. But in places where the Latino population does not include a sizable representation of Latino mixed-race Afrodescendants, I think the non-Latino population, on seeing them, simply think they are black. Sometimes even when told those are Latinos, not AAs, they may say something like, "but they are "black".

Now, your Afram friend does look like one of those Latinos. He probably lives where there are many of them and where they are called "Spanish". That means your friend's admixture and phenotype is similar to that usually associated with those Latinos.

Honestly, I think people have a tendency to label others based on that which they are most familiar with.