[kilibry]

Of the white Americans I share with on 23andme, very few have mixture. But it's true, if you compare white Americans and white Canadians, Americans are more mixed. Pretty much every white Canadian I share with is 99 to 100% European (these are mostly French-Canadians, I don't have many English ones on my share), whereas I've seen white Americans with 90% European ancestry on 23andme.

From my observation, colonials from most mixed to least:

Latin Americans
Americans (USA)
White South Africans
Canadians
Australians

[TeveVikep]

Mere speculation. Mixed what exactly?

Amerindians?

[chujwduperjadzi]

There's no such thing as being 100% European. All Europeans have non-European mixture through the Neolithic Revolution and other such events. Humans migrated into Europe from other places, they didn't originate there.

[Yessaniloas]

50 years ago, most of America was not mixed. You had Polish Communities, Jewish Communities, Irish communities. However the south was already inter mixing with other groups and had been for centuries. This is where you would find whites with native and ssa admix.

[PlanTaleks]

Supposedly (family lore) my maternal grandmother was part "Indian". (Nobody knew which tribe.) I grew up visiting Indian cemeteries, hearing stories and all that. But when I got the DNA test none of the genes showed up, so if it is true, then it was too far in the past to show up in my DNA.

Wutever...

I am not pretty sure of what I'm going to say, but I believe there's a possibility you didn't inherited the amerindian genes of your maternal grandmother who at her time maybe had in fact just some little of amerind heritage maybe that's why, and perhaps someone who is better informed about this could give us a better explanation.


Cheers.

[jeraveike]

A casual review of 23andMe ancestry paintings of southern whites I share genome info with, shows that over half of them (by 23andMe standards) are 100% Euro, with the rest having 1% or less of African or Asian. I don't see anybody passing as white with 5% of something else. Of the people who have some 1% of African and/or Asian DNA, some seem aware of possible genealogy leading back to Native American groups like Lumbee.

The above points on "native Europeans" are also very relevant to the discussion. Modern European nationalities and ethnicities themselves are not pure. Even the most monolithic nations like Japan aren't pure. I guess Andaman Islanders are pure, not sure who else can claim it.

[Pelefaifs]

In brief- you would need to assess if the african/asian admix in americans comes from mixing, or was brough over from the old world already.
Another thing is, you dont need a lot of time to reshape multiethnic society into mono-ethnic mixed society, 3 or 4 generations (provided there is a trend and permission in the society), which means 100 years or so. I think Amerika is in the middle of this process, from what I read and learn, there are no significant obstacles between various European backgrounds nowadays anymore (which was still the case 50 years ago and even more the case 100 years ago), probably it applies already to secularised west asians or north africans, probably slowly the bareer will be removed even further.

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does anyone know/remember, whether US census's question of ancestry was multi-choice question?

[carletoxtrs]

In this study:
http://www.disabled-world.com/health...#ixzz10xO4xTrP

48 percent of those who self-reported as Caucasian had more than 95 percent European American ancestry, meaning that 52 % of white Americans are less than 95% european genetically. As for black Americans: the study shows only 5 percent of patients who self-reported to be African American had more than 95 percent West African ancestry.

That study is bullshit. 358 people versus 23andMe's 78,000. Of those 358 37% were Aframs so that makes it even less people. and then it is" Caucasians" they use as a reference which could include a lot of people outside what we are talking about. There was probably a lot of Hispanic and Latino people in that study. Either way that is not a population genetics study, 23andMe's is.


Obviously a lot of Americans are mixed European, just look at my ancestry, I am not trying to say otherwise. A lot of people say that American whites are mixed with Africans and Amerindians though which is plainly not true. Relatively few are.

[bypeTeenehalT]

I believe that at least 60% of American whites are mixed

How did you arrive to this conclusion?

[gZAhTyWY]

How did you arrive to this conclusion?

The same way everyone else does when they say Americans are mixed. He made it up to suit his needs. Otherwise where is the source?

[marketheal]

Of the white Americans I share with on 23andme, very few have mixture. But it's true, if you compare white Americans and white Canadians, Americans are more mixed. Pretty much every white Canadian I share with is 99 to 100% European (these are mostly French-Canadians, I don't have many English ones on my share), whereas I've seen white Americans with 90% European ancestry on 23andme.

From my observation, colonials from most mixed to least:

Latin Americans
Americans (USA)
White South AfricansCanadians
Australians

I read from various studies that the average White South African is 7% non European.

Here's one study on White Americans from State College PA., with an average of 96% Euro, 3% Amerindian, and 0.9% African



And another study that states that on average European-Americans are: 93% European (73% to 98% European) and about 6% Native American/Asian and 3% African

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...21366/abstract

[sasaderesada]

I think you find it more in people from pure urban and suburban areas who never saw most their relatives and just assume they aren't mixed. The more contact people have had historically with minority populations the more likely they're mixed. Urban whites don't usually have a strong sense of familial culture and history such as rural whites. However it is true that most whites aren't mixed with blacks or Native Americans.

It became popular to say you had some Cherokee in you or something. Simply by how many Cherokee were left and how many whites had contact with them the sheer number of these stories are statistically impossible yet they continue to be popular, especially among whites of a liberal slant.

[curcercanty]

Almost all Americans are mixed I guess besides recent immigrants. A mixture between different ethnic groups is still a mixture.

cherokee (or any other tribe) is also notable.

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And another study that states that on average European-Americans are: 93% European (73% to 98% European) and about 6% Native American/Asian and 3% African

More asian than african, no suprise.

[erepsysoulperj]

Exactly!

There's no such thing as being 100% European. All Europeans have non-European mixture through the Neolithic Revolution and other such events. Humans migrated into Europe from other places, they didn't originate there.

[italertb]

This has always reminded be about the somewhat annoying claim that all or most Russians are part-East Asian because of the Mongol Yoke.

Of course they're mixed, different European ethnicity's = mixed for start, you wont hear a proud native Pole or Italian calling themselves "white" like some sort of mutt, they are Italian , Polish, Irish etc.

It is quite clear that the thread is about racial, not ethnic mixture. You are also incorrect about ethnically unmixed Europeans not identifying as white. Racial and ethnic identities do not contradict each other.

And another study that states that on average European-Americans are: 93% European (73% to 98% European) and about 6% Native American/Asian and 3% African

It seems impossible to assess the study without looking at the results of various Europeans.

[Jambjanatan]

It seems impossible to assess the study without looking at the results of various Europeans.

That study also stated that its study group was a few hundred as opposed to 23andMe's 78,000. Which one do you think gives a broader view?

[TeemFilla]

That study is bullshit. 358 people versus 23andMe's 78,000. Of those 358 37% were Aframs so that makes it even less people. and then it is" Caucasians" they use as a reference which could include a lot of people outside what we are talking about. There was probably a lot of Hispanic and Latino people in that study. Either way that is not a population genetics study, 23andMe's is.


Obviously a lot of Americans are mixed European, just look at my ancestry, I am not trying to say otherwise. A lot of people say that American whites are mixed with Africans and Amerindians though which is plainly not true. Relatively few are.

I thought Latino's and hispanics weren't considered white/caucasian in the US census? Anyhow you seem a bit paranoid, almost like you have a phobia for being mixed.

[Dwemadayday]

I thought Latino's and hispanics weren't considered white/caucasian in the US census? Anyhow you seem a bit paranoid, almost like you have a phobia for being mixed.

They are considered white or black, which ever fits, plus they check Hispanic. For most purposes people who check white and Hispanic are lumped in with non-Hispanic whites. For instance on the FBI crime statistics.

I have no phobia. My wife had a small Asian segment which I'm sure means my daughter does too. I didn't make this thread with an agenda other than truth. Just like the Irish slavery thread I made and someone told me to get over it if my ancestors were slaves. They weren't. I just thought it was an interesting topic. I realize a lot of people make threads with an agenda here but that is not me.

I just think that the vast majority of non-Hispanic Euro descended Americans are not mixed and that people say their are because of their own personal socio-political agenda.



I am not for mixing really, though people can do what thy want and it is none of my business.

[VowJoyday]

cherokee (or any other tribe) is also notable.

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More asian than african, no suprise.

You don't have a clue about American ethnicity. Amerindian, black admix is quite rare, people who have it often know the tribes.

Anyway the test figures would be naturally biased as they're often taken by people trying to figure out Amerindian admix percentages etc.

[vicgirl]

You don't have a clue about American ethnicity. Amerindian, black admix is quite rare, people who have it often know the tribes.

And people who think they have it sometimes don't.