How to define ethnicity? (split) //mod
 

Dude, you count people with one swedish-born parent as foreign. In that case Ressurection is not a swede, right??

Only people with two foreign-born parents are counted as immigrants now in both Norway and Sweden, and that makes like 80-81 % swedes in sweden and 88 % norwegians in norway.

Dude, you even used that arguing yourself:

No, delusional asswipe, it's 88% ethnic Nordic officially. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/smile.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavians#Distribution


On the topic Estonia isn't Nordic that's all, not matter how much immigrants there's in Sweden or not!!!

Both your parents are born in FInland, right?http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/whoco.gif

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Ressurection, you are not a Swede according to Vikinghttp://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/laugh.gif

Cephalic index under 78 or 80 (depending on the definition), stature over 178cm or 180cm (depends on the definition), blond hair and light eyes.

My father's family moved here when he was three and my mother was born here, if I remember it correctly. So I'm a second generation immigrant according to the 74 percent (old) definition, but otherwise not.

That definition is abandoned. Like my swedish-italian friend said: I'm a second-generation swede, not a second-generation italian.

Btw, there are plenty of people living here born in Ã…land or in Swedish-speaking Finland. According to statistics they are immigrants but I remember PTG said that they instead just had moved within their own culture.

Adopted are counted as foreign-born also.

My kids will not be of that 74 % swedes but sure as hell they will be swedes. My fiancée is from Finland you know (ethnic finn).

My gf wants to speak finnish with our future kids, simply because its natural for her. I wouldn't mind that, she said in Finland bilingualism is appreciated (unlike here), right Leminkäinen?

Neither Arne Christer Fuglesang in his genial logic http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/laugh.gif

http://www.fangbomb.com/img/FB002_240_front.jpg

many swedes are product of Scandinavian intermarrieges it makes part of the statistics of children with foreign parents. ...what of it? only a nutter would consider that as ethnic intermix..

Not to mention the dutchmen and germans who came here some hundred years ago. Their descendants are goodamn swedes today.

Heh. They count Finland as 5,6 percent Scandinavian (which actually is correct), but are including the Sweden-Finns in Sweden's number. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ies/tongue.gif

sgc2009, who has a mother that is a pure Germanic South Swede, and a phenotype that passes where he lives (and I don't think he speaks any Finnish either), does not identify as Swedish, as far as I know.

Most anthropologists actually used the term Nordic. Bertil Lundman was the only exception, who coined the term Nordid. In any case, I was being sarcastic. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/wink.gif

Dienekes demands you to have grandparental roots on all lines to the same country/ethnicity for being able to participate in his projects. This Finnish institute that studies Swedish, Finnish, German and British genes demands at least three grandparents from the same country, if I'm not mistaken. So this Icelandic baby would not be approved to be studied when looking at what they call Swedish genes.

In any case, my point was that the only way to define ethnicity without having someone questioning it is when you are "100 percent" of something and not aware of anything else, except if it's very distant. I am half Finnish, have a fully Swedish name and have only Swedish as native tongue (I can't speak any Finnish), and I'm not counted as immigrant in most of the modern statistics either. But there are full-blown Swedes who don't consider me as Swedish (you can see an example here). I have fully Swedish friends who simply tell me to drop the knife, if I happen to carry one at some point.

Some Off Topic posts moved into this thread of its own.

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If we are talking about America, then the concept of ethnicity is different.

WASP is the most used term about a regular american, but how big minority is a wasp?

God its like the all blond version of bill and ted. If one of a European persons parents are foreign to the other parents people then they are foreign too. Fnished.

I never said anything about "foreign". But just because you're not foreign doesn't mean that all people will view one as native either. Sometimes, there's an intermediate between those two terms.

In the real world from what matter the child will be a fully swede by any swedish person on the streets of Stockholm...

In your logic half of Swedes aren't Swedish at all, a part of the Swedes have roots in other Nordic countries. My mother is from Norway but she has lived here since the 80s, I and my two sisters are Swedish as my father.

Morten Harket children are Norwegian with a Swedish mother, Camilla

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel...1209550433.jpg

Does evon and pallantides to see them as non-norwegians because of that? I doubt it..

Of course you are Swedish by the very most if you are half Norwegian, considering the hilarious tag "norwegians in denial they're like swedes". But if you are half a people that is more ethnically distant, can be anything from Finnish to Chilean, there will be people who won't view one as Swedish.

This was written about Peter Mangs (shot "wogs" in Malmö), who has a Finland-Swedish father, on a Swedish forum (not Flashback):

A psychologically disturbed half Finn, that is. Let's see if that's enough for "Swedish", to Per Svensson and the gang.

Most dutch and north-west german are undishtingable from swedes if we substract the baltid influence in sweden imo. So they can pass for non baltid/baltid influenced swedes all the way.

I doubt a somali or even a mena might be goodamm swede, no matter how many generations they are living in there. Physical appearence also has to do a lot in regards of integration and self-identification with the new country you choose to live in.

they actually use the term Germanic about us as a people, now that is just what ive been demonstrating against in the turkish thread, Germanic is not a modern ethnic group but a language group..

I believe the Swedish anthropologists used to blaim the Southern Swedes supposedly being more "brachycephalic and brown-eyed" ("Alpine") on German immigration. And you are of course correct about the last part. But they are/will soon be counted as "native Swedes" in the statistics. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...es/ashamed.gif

As far as I know many or most people with a Finnish parent and a Swedish parent born and raised in Sweden to see themselves as Swede, those who have confused their identities are just the marginalia...
Perhaps are we living in a different country?

Probably southern germans and swiss germans like Jhon Ausonius? Even in S Germany there over 50% of light eyes, not sure about german speaking switzerland though. It sound like those fake excuses to justify the existance of dark phenotypes in sweden, like the typical walloon ancestry. having one grandfather of walloon ancestry might not make u turn like a wog, starting with the fact walloons arent wogs, and that 25 % wouldnt make a difference at all with a ethnicity not far apart. I think even 1/4 lebanese or near eastern descent swedes hardly will that different from random swedes. Thats my point.