[NodePark]

We all know by now that the African Union is a joke! Anywayz!

Colonism and Imperialism was one of the main reason why Africa had been cut into many states created by the major powers at the time (Britain, France, Italy, Belguim and Germany.etc.) And because of this mismanagement of African affairs Africa today is in ruins...though some believe it is improving, but it's well known to her people that many African country's still maintain inadequate security and stability in its provinces, leaving many homless and bitter for generations.
This in turn lead to the many conflicts and genocides we now know today!
(Rwanda, Liberia.etc)

I was wondering shouldn't they resolve this problem! It would end the suffering of many and probably bring fair results unlike todays. Many tribes/ethnic groups such as Tuareg, Afar, Beja, Maasai, Hausa, Fulani.etc are basically outcastes in these fake countries and are spread across vast lands into neighbouring countries similar to how Kurds are spread across Iraq, Iran, Kurdistan, Turkey and Syria. They are primarily powerless, prone to dissolation and discrimination by their counterparts or opponents.

Shouldn't these large tribes and ethnic groups have their own lands and provinces... or at least create a country filled with people of the same culture like the way Germany has her Germanic peoples. Why can't for instance the Maasai have their own land, laws and economy...or at least unite them into a greater country with tribes sharing the same language and culture. The Fulani of West Africa should also have their own lands...sorry I can't get my point across, but I hope you understand.

[Cwvnyfsj]

I don't think the AU is a joke. It keeps a certain power their own and Westerns out of their major business without their consent but the problem is that many countries rely on and are in debt to Western powers.

I am all for those people like theTuareg having their own countries. In fact, before Africa was cut up, that's how it was. However, it's complicated now because people have claimed countries and separating them will be breaking them up again. I agree with Soyinke that Africa should unite upon one place and language. I am big on that!

[FourEsters]

Two questions:

• Who gets to decide the new borders?
• What happens to areas with more than 1 ethnicity. Ethnic cleansing?

Seems like a sure recipe for endless warfare to me

[KLIMOV25gyi]

yeah it's true. on good example is ethiopia. although that goverment is a dictatorship. they treat the non-habeshas very badly. i mean oromos and somalis, and yet the crimes are hidden only to themselves because of no freedom of speech and that ethiopia is an ally to USA on fighting terrorism. but ethiopia takes advantage and kills and rapes men, women and children just to get a supply of resouces such as natural gas and oil in the somali reigon and the oromo and im sure there is many other cases like this in africa.

Who knows these guys?
http://www.expressen.se/ImageHandler...1-0a8f9a9b09c4

http://ogadentoday.com/images/news/O...%20Jazeera.jpg

http://swiss-oromocommunity.webs.com...33644935213334

[stoneeZef]

Two questions:

• Who gets to decide the borders?
• What happens to areas with more than 1 ethnicity. Ethnic cleansing?

Seems like a sure recipe for endless warfare to me :whoco:

Regardless there will always be war unless they can come to terms, trust is another thing that needs to be solved cause so many tribe hate and distrust one another...it's sickening!

What borders? The borders are already there...Maasai province.etc unless they want to unite with the other Nilotes...although on the other hand we are known for our arrogance and distrust for one another. Having a Nilo-Nation could be risky, maybe if they formed a council as I think it would be better since they would be dealing with people of same origins. Kenya is too diverse and election days will always be bloody....

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yeah it's true. on good example is ethiopia. although that goverment is a dictatorship. they treat the non-habeshas very badly. i mean oromos and somalis, and yet the crimes are hidden only to themselves because of no freedom of speech and that ethiopia is an ally to USA on fighting terrorism. but ethiopia takes advantage and kills and rapes men, women and children just to get a supply of resouces such as natural gas and oil in the somali reigon and the oromo and im sure there is many other cases like this in africa.

Who knows these guys?
http://www.expressen.se/ImageHandler...1-0a8f9a9b09c4

http://ogadentoday.com/images/news/O...%20Jazeera.jpg

http://swiss-oromocommunity.webs.com...33644935213334

Exactly what I'm talking about they should have their own lands, laws and economy.

[PickEmUp]

^ Ethiopian govt is a dictatorship? I know about the issues but "Dictatorship" does not do justice to REAL dictatorships. As far as I know what is happening in Syria has NOT happened under the current admin. I have visited the place more than once under the current admin and it didn't feel like a police state.

[FetMiddle]

We all know by now that the African Union is a joke! Anywayz!

Indeed...........

[sadgpokx]

Regardless there will always be war unless they can come to terms, trust is another thing that needs to be solved cause so many tribe hate and distrust one another...it's sickening!

you're overgeneralizing as always. Sure africa is not without ethnic conflicts (neither are other continents) but you might be surprised that it's not a warzone everywhere Actually in some countries you can already observe detribalization and the forming of a more national identity. Of course this process is only just beginning because most african countries are barely 50 years in existance...

What borders? The borders are already there...Maasai province.etc unless they want to unite with the other Nilotes...although on the other hand we are known for our arrogance and distrust for one another. Having a Nilo-Nation could be risky, maybe if they formed a council as I think it would be better since they would be dealing with people of same origins. Kenya is too diverse and election days will always be bloody

^there's not only Masai living in kenya, you think all ethnic groups should get independence? How do you envision this will affect their prospects for economic development and governability?

[Optipitle]

^ Ethiopian govt is a dictatorship? I know about the issues but "Dictatorship" does not do justice to REAL dictatorships. As far as I know what is happening in Syria has NOT happened under the current admin. I have visited the place more than once under the current admin and it didn't feel like a police state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopi...public_inquiry

Ethiopia is certainly a dictatorship, and that isn't dependent on whether it's a "police state" or not (I would argue that it certainly has some of those elements as well, but this is irrelevant). My opinion is that Habeshas are generally compliant, which explains the relative political stability in Eritrea and Ethiopia since 1991. It's not because the regimes don't crack down on the people, although Ethiopia can't compare to Eritrea, and some parts of Ethiopia are worse off than others (Ogaden).

One thing Ethiopia does well is that it doesn't come across as a police state to outsiders. Eritrea can't even manage that.

[Vkowefek]

Tribalism is stupid. Sub-Sahara Africa should take example on North Africa Stahfellahhhhhh....

[Smabeabumjess]

you're overgeneralizing as always. Sure africa is not without ethnic conflicts (neither are other continents) but you might be surprised that it's not a warzone everywhere Actually in some countries you can already observe detribalization and the forming of a more national identity. Of course this process is only just beginning because most african countries are barely 50 years in existance...






^there's not only Masai living in kenya, you think all ethnic groups should get independence? How do you envision this will affect their prospects for economic development and governability?

If not then why not unite Bantus into one giant "Zaire" type country stretching from East to West Africa. And then you can have Somalis united into one country as well including Borana and maybe Muslim Oromo too. Do you think African countries will solve their problems within next 50 years? They'll still have election crashes and border conflicts, also Northern Kenya isn't properly stablized. They can't police that far up! Thats why there is war up there, a minor war of course, but nonetheless it is a war.

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Tribalism is stupid. Sub-Sahara Africa should take example on North Africa Stahfellahhhhhhhhhh....

North Africa has tribal conflicts as well.

[WournGona]

In principle, ethnic homogeneity is usually a good thing for a country's development and stability. However, it is often very hard to draw clean borders between ethnicities in Africa, and I think most major cities are multi-ethnic by now. This solution is just not practically feasible. Perhaps a better idea would be to gradually adopt the neutral lingua franca (English, Swahili, French) as a native language, thus allowing a national identity to develop across tribal backgrounds.

[PerfectCreditForYou]

I propose a new state ...






Unity!

[Brewpralgar]

A propose a new state ...






Unity!

It's horrible.

[wrewsTear]

In principle, ethnic homogeneity is usually a good thing for a country's development and stability. However, it is often very hard to draw clean borders between ethnicities in Africa, and I think most major cities are multi-ethnic by now. This solution is just not practically feasible. Perhaps a better idea would be to gradually adopt the neutral lingua franca (English, Swahili, French) as a native language, thus allowing a national identity to develop across tribal backgrounds.

Indeed I do agree in some ways...though having a foreign language as a native language really takes away their pride. I know Maasai and Turkana people who proudly refuse to speak English or Swahili because it is not part of their culture.
That's like having Germany speaking English as its native language, that would truly demoralize them in some way or another. Their history be fuked!

[FelixQY]

It's horrible.

No it's justice.

[nebrarlepleme]

No it's justice.

I agree berbers should form their own state Embrace their berber roots more and improve their own culture more. Would many berbers Identify themselves as beber or claim berber roots? or do they consider themselves Arabs?

[rvadipoldkov]

No it's justice.

I don't think. My parents would prefer staying Algerians . No need of a state lowed by the Shariah , opressing minorities all over , and putting into one state people who are completely different (algerians vs libyans). no need of a supra-sub-saharan-like state.

[13spebampiliece]

If not then why not unite Bantus into one giant "Zaire" type country stretching from East to West Africa. And then you can have Somalis united into one country as well including Borana and maybe Muslim Oromo too. Do you think African countries will solve their problems within next 50 years? They'll still have election crashes and border conflicts, also Northern Kenya isn't properly stablized. They can't police that far up! Thats why there is war up there, a minor war of course, but nonetheless it is a war.

Africa's problems are complex and solutions will have to be contextdependent. I wouldn't want to rule out the possibility of selfdetermination for separatistminded ethnicities. If certain conditions are fulfilled it may even be beneficial for all parties involved. But i don't think this will be the case very often. Rather the opposite, as i mentioned the issue of determining new borders and what to do with ethnically mixed areas will in most cases lead to prolonged violence distracting from focus on development. Even after violence has ended there's a high risk of lasting mutual distrust which will hinder regional cooperation which is absolutely vital in present era of globalization and especially for landlocked territories.

In case of kenya, (which seems to be your principal concern ) it's true they still have a long way to go before ethnic harmony is realized. The situation on their somalian borders is also worrying. It's unfortunate because they do have a widespread national language (swahili) and economic growth was pretty good for the region (compare with tanzania). But i don't think things will get any better if you divide the country into separate bantustans ()

[VardyCodarexyz]

Indeed I do agree in some ways...though having a foreign language as a native language really takes away their pride. I know Maasai and Turkana people who proudly refuse to speak English or Swahili because it is not part of their culture.
That's like having Germany speaking English as its native language, that would truly demoralize them in some way or another. Their history be fuked!

It's more about Bantu economic domination than pride or language.