[quorceopporce]

Why do the Jewish people always lean to the left?

They always support left political parties, except in their own country. Based on the fact they are capitalist and the bad experiences they had in the USSR I cannot understand their contrary political behaviour.

[tobaccoman]

Simple, they choose what suits them best. In the West they go Left cause it favors immigration and multiculturalism (they don't want to be kicked out like it happened in Germany). In Israel they choose the Right cause they don't give a damn about anybody else.

[WrinnaArraple]

Why do the Jewish people always lean to the left?

They don't. The Jewish ethnic group consists of many individuals with varying opinions. You could find Jews adhering to any major political movement where they reside, regardless of whether it's in Israel or elsewhere.

I happen to know that many Swedish Jews lean to the right rather than the left. Then again, I guess the Swedish right could still be seen as part of the "left" in other parts of the world.

[Bugamerka]

I only know one Jew fairly well. He is right wing, even by my standards. He's also from the USSR.

Probably says more about the company I keep. The US stereotype is definitely the opposite.

[Pa33anger]

They don't. The Jewish ethnic group consists of many individuals with varying opinions. You could find Jews adhering to any major political movement where they reside, regardless of whether it's in Israel or elsewhere.

I happen to know that many Swedish Jews lean to the right rather than the left. Then again, I guess the Swedish right could still be seen as part of the "left" in other parts of the world.

I agree, not everybody is the same. One thing I have noticed is that right wing Jews are usually the extreme Zionist and the Orthodox. The left wing are not Zionist (or are more cautelous when they talk about it).

[rNr5Di3S]

There are many Jews in right wing news and right wing commentary.

[ptolerezort]

I agree, not everybody is the same. One thing I have noticed is that right wing Jews are usually the extreme Zionist and the Orthodox. The left wing are not Zionist (or are more cautelous when they talk about it).

I wasn't thinking about the far right. In Sweden, even (social) liberals are viewed as part of the right. Maybe my experience was irrelevant then, as you would probably see the Jews I was thinking about as a bunch of leftists...

[Agehoobionibe]

Dis be a rayciss thread.

[longrema]

Jews in the US are a 'weird' bunch. They lean heavily to the left except when it comes to Israel. When it comes to Israel they do an about face.

Differences within the broad Jewish American communities should be noted: Hasidic Jews tend to follow different patterns and of course you have a small but very vocal group of secular American Jews who are very critical of Israel.

Naturally a group, whether ethnic or religious, will support policies that benefit them. So beliefs common to the left, such as multiculturalism is promoted. It creates many distinguishable groups and so Jews aren't the only only ones who stand out. They aren't the "other" because there are many "others" and so they have nothing to fear about being singled out as different. It also could be that they are sympathetic towards other minority groups because of their own history of persecution.

This belief that multiculturalism is good dies a quick death when it comes to Israel. In Israel Jews aren't the strangers and so a multicultural society beyond what exists among Jews themselves (Ashkenazi, Sephardic, etc.) has no benefit to them as a group.

Ethnic politics in the real world isn't much different than what we find here on the internet forum. The difference in the real world people censor themselves.

Anyone who is more sympathetic to another nation state than to their own is a potential Fifth Columnist and many American Jews put their ethnicity above their nationality. The Israeli lobby is a very powerful political group. You can't survive in the big political game unless you appear warm towards Israel. This has caused Americans unnecessary problems. If we were to follow a political strategy that benefits Americans we be more friendly with Arab nations instead of trying to strong arm them. They have something the US government likes: oil. But our friendship with Israel causes our relationship with the Arab nations to remain difficult.

The Israeli Lobby (American Jews) obviously doesn't care enough about their fellow Americans. They put Israel interests first and try to rationalize their actions with the old "they're a democracy just like us. Freedom, you know, they enjoy freedom fries." That's all very pleasant but the purpose of a government (if its the right type of government) is to look out for the interests of its citizens and beyond the "democracy argument", which is a poor argument, I've never heard an argument for supporting Israel the way the US government does that is in keeping with the interests of the American people; all of the American people and not just a small group within a small ethnic group.

Has anyone heard of the Irish Lobby or the Italian Lobby? Despite people of Irish and Italians descent being much larger than the American Jewish population I've never heard of such groups. I'm sure they exist but no politicians cares much about what they have to say. Those groups view themselves as Americans first and its not as if Jewish Americans as a whole are recent immigrants to the US.

So to answer your question people with a strong ethnic consciousness will be left, right, center, extreme this or that if they think it benefits their own group. They may not even be conscious that their belief system at its core is based on what benefits their extended family, or in other words ethnic group.

[EasyLOAD]

Isn't noticing all that anti-semitic, Anodyne? That means it can't possibly be true, right?

[OEMCHEAPSOFTDOWNLOAD]

They are a minority, that's why IMO.

[topbonuscasino]

What about Michael Savage, he's a Jew.

[MaraReenece]

What about Michael Savage, he's a Jew.

He is not "a real WASP conservative type". If he tried to be one, he would be a fool IMO. He is more like a pseudo one.

Michael Savage mocking Sean Hannity:



Michael Savage mocking Bill O'Reilly and Mike Huckabee:



Michael Savage mocking Rush Limbaugh:



Michael Savage on Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly:



Herman Cain for president!

[interbaoui]

What about Michael Savage, he's a Jew.

He has Russian Jewish heritage, based on the previous posts and also taking into account Ayn Rand (Another Russian Jew), there is a pattern Russian Jews leaning to the right.

[Lymnempomma]

I should introduce you to a friend of mine some day, he's called Acquisitorz, in fact he should be around here somewhere, let me go and have a look.......

[illerlytoindy]

There is a lot of missunderstanding in many posts claiming that Jews a re only... or only..
There is no one solid Jewish frame that we can put every Jew in.

To make one thing clear:
-Jews - are ethnicity, the may be belivers or not, some are atheist.
-jews - are belivers, may but do not have to be ethnical Jews
-Israeli- people born in Israel. They may be Palestinians, Jews, Russians ethnicaly. The most of Israeli are Jews. Some of the Jews are jews.

Observant jews can be orthodox, moderate or liberal. Some orthodox ones are agains the state of Israel because they belive that one meet Messiah one day who will rule their nation. They do not attend state schools, do not serve in army, obey the kashrut rules to the limits. So, politically they rather to the populist side.

Some of the greatest and the most crucial survey and literature on capitalist as well as on socialist eocnomy were writed by authors of Jewish ethincity.

During the WW2 many young Jews who managed to escape from the nazi death camps or ghettos joined the communist Red Army because they belived that it would save their life. The communsit ideas are beautiful and almost picture lectures of Jesus . How it turned out to be in practice, the milions of Jews, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians and other republics of Soviet Union that perished 'thanks' to this utopian system may confirm that the communism is not a piece of piece of pink birthday cake. Revolution eats its own children - not only right-winged capitalist 'imperialists' were 'punished' but also the loyal communists as well as a bunch of naive young Jewish activists who just wanted to survive.

If anybody plans to go to Israel, one will see that the country is not a cultural and religious monolith and they hardly have many in common with the stereotype of a rich Jewish banker from USA - nota bene capitalist .

[DP5Ups8o]

He is not "a real WASP conservative type". If he tried to be one, he would be a fool IMO. He is more like a pseudo one.

Michael Savage mocking Sean Hannity:



Michael Savage mocking Bill O'Reilly and Mike Huckabee:



Michael Savage mocking Rush Limbaugh:



Michael Savage on Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly:



Herman Cain for president!

He's still a conservative though. I don't get your point. Neither Hannity, Limbaugh, or O'Reilly are WASPs.

He has Russian Jewish heritage, based on the previous posts and also taking into account Ayn Rand (Another Russian Jew), there is a pattern Russian Jews leaning to the right.

I wonder if it could have something to do with Stalin turning on the Jews with his Rootless Cosmopolitan campaign.

[costamarianavia]

Well, communist always like to talk about history; maybe Russian jews are more anti-statists because they've had family members see what a horror it is up close and personal.

[Donlupedron]

Its already been established and known for a long time that Jews can vary strongly in political affiliation and interests, yet you still have some who like to make belief that the behaviour and actions of Jews is genetically inherent and/or inter-generationally passed on. Since this thread seems directed more to Jews in America, I think it should be noted the different behaviours of Jews as a minority group, their ideals and principles and their partial loyalties to different nations amongst their own is NOT what sets them apart to other diasporic minority groups. (especially those previously persecuted) The true difference is Jews in America have just simply been successful and in all fairness, their forefathers and mothers worked hard to earn it, intellectually and physically. Once a minority within a minority is successful, its easier to disperse this wealth for others to inherit and thats something in particular some Jews have been good at. Many other minorities in Europe and America otherwise push just as hard to lobby their political interests, think a minority of Muslims wanting to introduce Sharia law in England, or French-Armenians backing a law in France which forbids the denial of the genocide by Ottoman Turks.

[neotheMit]

Svin, no one else has anything like the lobbying infrastructure that Jews have erected for themselves, not even close. And their intense in-group self-interest goes way beyond merely lobbying. Geezus, how do you suppose they maintained their identity intact over 4000 years, by disregarding group interests? Lol. Where are the Hittites, the Babylonians, the Phrygians, the Galatians, the Midianites etc? Gone, all of them. But the Hebrews remain.