[Intiltern]

i think we have to make a distinction between jewish living in israel and european american jewish. israeli jewish for the most part come from traditional, conservative background and a low cultural level. that's because they grown up and were educated in countries, such as russia, yemen, algeria, etc... without a strong democratic tradition in which they were heavily discriminated.

american jewish and european jewish on the other hand are mainly liberal. this depends on the fact that they share the same "forma mentis" that characterizes the educated middle classes. i can speak about the italian and austrian cases: it's impressive to see the amount of contributions (compared to their numerical littleness) in the arts, science and philosophy the assimilated jewish gave to these countries during the XIX and XX century.

[ftpsoft]

Why do the Jewish people always lean to the left?

They always support left political parties, except in their own country. Based on the fact they are capitalist and the bad experiences they had in the USSR I cannot understand their contrary political behaviour.

Bad experiences in USSR? Not sure I'm following you...

Jews lean to whatever is good for the Jews. Jews use it as a tool. Get that through your head. Thank you. Bye.

[Unergerah]

Jews lean to whatever is good for the Jews. Jews use it as a tool. Get that through your head. Thank you. Bye.

At this point, do you see any differences between Swedish, Germans, Italian, Ukrainians, Astralians or any other random nations? Do you think that other nations are more altruistic? Everyone see one's own nose and calculate one's interests, that is all. Why Jews should be different then? Maybe the only difference that Jews try to unite and do not intermarry what is something exactly similar to what many of nationalists belive in. However, Jews seem to be better organized in this way and stick to their rules.

[EmpokemyMok]

Why do the Jewish people always lean to the left?

They always support left political parties, except in their own country. Based on the fact they are capitalist and the bad experiences they had in the USSR I cannot understand their contrary political behaviour.

because "the left" tolerates "foreigners"
while "the right" wants no "parasites"

but that is the case in every country except israel, in israel where the jews are no longer parasites, its a different story.

[Anatolii]

At this point, do you see any differences between Swedish, Germans, Italian, Ukrainians, Astralians or any other random nations? Do you think that other nations are more altruistic? Everyone see one's own nose and calculate one's interests, that is all. Why Jews should be different then? Maybe the only difference that Jews try to unite and do not intermarry what is something exactly similar to what many of nationalists belive in. However, Jews seem to be better organized in this way and stick to their rules.

Swedish people do not have a secret book where they see non-Swedes as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Germans do not have a secret book where they see non-Germans as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Italians do not have a secret book where they see non-Italians as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Ukrainians do not have a secret book where they see non-Ukrainians as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Australians do not have a secret book where they see non-Australians as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. But the Jews DO have a secret book where they see non-Jewish people as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Jewish children already start studying the Talmud in Hebrew school.

[Casyimipist]

At this point, do you see any differences between Swedish, Germans, Italian, Ukrainians, Astralians or any other random nations? Do you think that other nations are more altruistic? Everyone see one's own nose and calculate one's interests, that is all. Why Jews should be different then? Maybe the only difference that Jews try to unite and do not intermarry what is something exactly similar to what many of nationalists belive in. However, Jews seem to be better organized in this way and stick to their rules.

The difference, of one of them anyway, is that people call out other people for looking after their own interest yet when someone calls out the Jews on it they get labeled as anti-Semitic, racist, Nazi, fringe loony, etc...

[erepsysoulptnw]

I Agree pretty much with Incanal.

Simple, they choose what suits them best. In the West they go Left cause it favors immigration and multiculturalism (they don't want to be kicked out like it happened in Germany). In Israel they choose the Right cause they don't give a damn about anybody else.

I could not tell it better

[AnriXuinriZ]

Swedish people do not have a secret book where they see non-Swedes as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Germans do not have a secret book where they see non-Germans as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Italians do not have a secret book where they see non-Italians as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Ukrainians do not have a secret book where they see non-Ukrainians as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Australians do not have a secret book where they see non-Australians as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. But the Jews DO have a secret book where they see non-Jewish people as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Jewish children already start studying the Talmud in Hebrew school.

We... have a 'Holly Bible' that do not fall far from Talmud and Koran in terms of humanity and pure love for a non-beliver or heretic.
When it comes to Bible, I attended a catholic school, had religion lessons 3 times a week, attended church every sunday and 2-3 times extra a week and all 'the good things' about the blessed Teresa, warm and trustworthy leadership of Pope, a value of unborn life etc.... Yes, it is cool and maybe this is why we weren't allowed to study Bible alone to keep the good picture of religon in our heads. Once you started studing it leaves a bitter sweet taste in your mouth. The New Testament has plenty of 'friendly' speeches about Jews or Arabs. And moreover protestants read same source of wisdom since the Bible do not differ.

Koran is not better at all. It is even more violent source of 'wisdom'. Atheism is penalized, stoning to death, words of 'love' to apostates, christians, Jews (who got number one on the list), who should be either converted to Islam or wiped of the mother Earth.

Some Germans have such book as well and to be politically correct I even add that 'nazi', and not the average ones.
Eugenics was planted in a couple of countries where it was carried out until earle 70's. I do not call the names because this is not my point.
The countries I have as an example are random and, belive or not, these countries, like many other, mine probably too in some ways, has a lot to do with the race/ethnic discrimination and calling it a race supremacy and producing a better race. And, again, believe or not, such books exist, or maybe you find literature on eugenics the sience what is slightly 'retro'. The line between antropology and eugenics is thin and usualy it is a political reason that justifies certain acts of 'race supremacy' put into practice.

[slarceSelia]

Germans do not have a secret book where they see non-Germans as sub-human slaves that should be deceived. Italians do not have a secret book where they see non-Italians as sub-human slaves that should be deceived.

what about the "mein kampf" and the "manifesto della razza" (italian for Race manifesto)? these writings deal with the submission and the destruction of non-aryan races.

i bet you still believe in the authenticity of the protocols of the elders of zion...

[Lebybynctisee]

what about the "mein kampf" and the "manifesto della razza" (italian for Race manifesto)? these writings deal with the submission and the destruction of non-aryan races.

i bet you still believe in the authenticity of the protocols of the elders of zion...

Are those books taught in schools or by parents to their children on a mass scale? If so I am flabbergasted.

[astonmartinrx371]

Svin, no one else has anything like the lobbying infrastructure that Jews have erected for themselves, not even close. And their intense in-group self-interest goes way beyond merely lobbying.

First point, yes when compared to minorities in America that is true, otherwise in certain Western European countries, the interest of Muslim citizens (still a minority group) is more important than those Jewish.

Has anyone heard of the Irish Lobby or the Italian Lobby? Despite people of Irish and Italians descent being much larger than the American Jewish population I've never heard of such groups. I'm sure they exist but no politicians cares much about what they have to say. Those groups view themselves as Americans first and its not as if Jewish Americans as a whole are recent immigrants to the US.

Could these perhaps be possible reasons why Americans of Irish and Italian extraction do not appear as a significant lobbying group in comparison, nor feel the need to care for affairs outside of America to the extent of say some Jews;

1) the Irish and Italians migrated to escape famines and poverty whilst many Jews migrated to escape persecution. Perhaps many are therefore more sensitive about the welfare of their ethno-religious group universally.

2) Today in the world there are < 20 million Jews, 56 million Italians (double if you include diaspora), 4.5 million Irish though 80 million are alleged worldwide to claim Irish ancestry. Perhaps the small population size of Jews and the fact that their numbers are dwindling further down when compared to the other groups might make Jews more concerned with their own diasporic kin when compared to the Italians and Irish.

3) The Irish and Italians perhaps integrated more effectively and possibly felt more at home and were maybe received in greater numbers earlier. Religious Jews probably long felt less accustomed to the mainstream Anglosphere culture and the majority ways of Christians, which Irish and Italian Catholics would have had less issues with.

4) Italian and Irish diaspora have a widely recognised 'homeland' in which they can attest to being Indigenous too. Jews on the other hand are still largely percieved by many as being of nomadic roots and likened to imperialists in the context of the Israel/Palestine conflict. Its therefore not a suprise why Jews might feel more compelled than the Irish or Italian diaspora to have a stake in foreign affairs outside America.

[Maribellin]

Are those books taught in schools or by parents to their children on a mass scale? If so I am flabbergasted.

i don't get the point. you probably think that liberal jews control media and economy. but liberal jews are mostly irreligious, secular people. so their children don't receive any kind of religious education (except maybe the well known bar mitzvah, when they learn some ebrew prhases without even understanding what they actually mean).

the issue is quite different for the orthodox and haredi jews. their children receive an intense religious education based on various books, including torah. but these people are not interested in economical activities, they don't read newspapers or watch television. their influence on the external society is minimal. in usa these jews live below the poverty line and have very large families. they can't lobby the government.

it's strange to see how in the western counties jews are despised, still illogically accused of being at the same time communists and capitalists.

[cepAceryTem]

The difference, of one of them anyway, is that people call out other people for looking after their own interest yet when someone calls out the Jews on it they get labeled as anti-Semitic, racist, Nazi, fringe loony, etc...

Do not say that every Jew have the same intrests. Jews represent pretty a lot of different additudes and even among themselve there are, let it call, conflicts.
I know many Jews who do not participate in any Jewish conspiracy, eat dirty pork (and I do not), have standard for their profession wages and do not stick out with their little noses much as well as their blond hair. They are even catholics.
I know a couple of ortodox ones. When I studied I used to travel and work little in Belgium during summer vacations. I met Jews from Hungary, Poland, Balkans etc. The majority was ok and I used to received extra money for my work and depending on ocassion I often used to receive a big pieces of cakes or home made dishes. This is exactly the way Slav usually do as well - the guests receive something from the hosts.

Yes, there were some kind of hard cookies to bite, when I was ignored or insulted.
I had a thrilling situation in Sweden when I went to one council and the lady att the counter (looking quite exotic to be Swedish and too different from Italian and Persians) with cold face says while looking in my certificates that 'she understand Polish since her mother came from Poland'. She was very cold, ironic and bitter for free.

These Jews who hate other for free (however there will be something that they are right about) come from very privilidged and well establihed American families. Some of them hate even other Jews looking at poor or orthodox s if they occupied the lower rung of the evolutuon ladder. On the other side American Jewish money run to Israel in many forms of 'help' and the locals somethimes have mixed feelings about it since the American vision of Israel and Israeli people do not fit fully the reality and causes sometimes more harm than favour.

I saw many documents where Istraeli Rabbies claim that 'antisemitism' is a new weapon and it is pointing at Jews in result and when the public opinion of Jews get milder and more open there is always some kind of source of lobbists who need antisemitism to make ends meet . This is their life project.

[Hetgvwic]

He's still a conservative though. I don't get your point. Neither Hannity, Limbaugh, or O'Reilly are WASPs. .

I don't think he is conservative as in being committed with the preservation of "traditional USA". He is just playing a character, and making lots of money out of it. I believe he is concerned in fact with the survival of the Jewish identity, and therefore conservative in this sense. But not like a WASP, f.e, would. Hannity, Limbaugh or O'Reilly, may not be WASPs, but I do think they identify with the US, which is mainly a WASP creation, they don't have a tribal identity somewhere else like Michael Savage has. That's the main difference. I wouldn't think of Michael Savage as someone not loyal, he seems to be loyal to his identity (which is Jewish), and there is nothing wrong with that IMO.

[gooseCile]

I don't think he is conservative as in being committed with the preservation of "traditional USA". He is just playing a character, and making lots of money out of it. I believe he is concerned in fact with the survival of the Jewish identity, and therefore conservative in this sense. But not like a WASP, f.e, would. Hannity, Limbaugh or O'Reilly, may not be WASPs, but I do think they identify with the US, which is mainly a WASP creation, they don't have a tribal identity somewhere else like Michael Savage has. That's the main difference. I wouldn't think of Michael Savage as someone not loyal, he seems to be loyal to his identity (which is Jewish), and there is nothing wrong with that IMO.

You are overplaying the traditionalist part, not all conservatives are traditionalist and pro wasp. Indeed I dont think Limbaugh is a proper Conservative, rather a neocon.
There are a lot of traditionalist left wing politicians.

[Uplillacype]

Why do the Jewish people always lean to the left?

They always support left political parties, except in their own country. Based on the fact they are capitalist and the bad experiences they had in the USSR I cannot understand their contrary political behaviour.

well the far right didnt treat them well either.. leaning left doesnt mean you're communist, just like leaning right doesnt mean you are fascist.

[Evelinessa]

I love black people.

[drlifeech]

We... have a 'Holly Bible' that do not fall far from Talmud and Koran in terms of humanity and pure love for a non-beliver or heretic.
When it comes to Bible, I attended a catholic school, had religion lessons 3 times a week, attended church every sunday and 2-3 times extra a week and all 'the good things' about the blessed Teresa, warm and trustworthy leadership of Pope, a value of unborn life etc.... Yes, it is cool and maybe this is why we weren't allowed to study Bible alone to keep the good picture of religon in our heads. Once you started studing it leaves a bitter sweet taste in your mouth. The New Testament has plenty of 'friendly' speeches about Jews or Arabs. And moreover protestants read same source of wisdom since the Bible do not differ.

Koran is not better at all. It is even more violent source of 'wisdom'. Atheism is penalized, stoning to death, words of 'love' to apostates, christians, Jews (who got number one on the list), who should be either converted to Islam or wiped of the mother Earth.

Some Germans have such book as well and to be politically correct I even add that 'nazi', and not the average ones.
Eugenics was planted in a couple of countries where it was carried out until earle 70's. I do not call the names because this is not my point.
The countries I have as an example are random and, belive or not, these countries, like many other, mine probably too in some ways, has a lot to do with the race/ethnic discrimination and calling it a race supremacy and producing a better race. And, again, believe or not, such books exist, or maybe you find literature on eugenics the sience what is slightly 'retro'. The line between antropology and eugenics is thin and usualy it is a political reason that justifies certain acts of 'race supremacy' put into practice.

Where the fuck does it say in the Bible that Swedes are holy people that should enslave and deceive non-Swedish people? You see what I'm saying to you? Your argument is weak. Mein kampf was available in Germany for about 20 years before it was criminalized. The first version of the Talmud was written down 1800 years ago that the Jews have traveled around the world with. But I have never seen a critical study of the Talmud on Swedish television (SVT). They have had documentaries about Catholic priests have sex with children(which I agree should be exposed), but they never showed that rabbi sucking on baby's penis that is going on regular basis in the Jewish Orthodox community. I've seen some Jehovah witnesses being exposed as sex offenders in the mass media. But they never showed a documentary about Jews being involved in Jewish ritual murder. Why?

Is a Christian still a Christian if he/she does not believe in God? Because that's the problem with the Jews, they still see themselves part of the Jew gang, even if they don't believe in their God.

[SannyGlow]

^Ritual murder? You might want to hold back sometimes. Just some friendly advice.

[intifatry]

^Ritual murder? You might want to hold back sometimes. Just some friendly advice.