[addyta.org]

I was reading a book on Ecuador yesterday and learned of a new term. In the AfroEcuadorian section, they mentioned the intermarriage of Blacks with their Indigenous and Mestizo neighbors on the Pacific coast created "Mulatos" (people of European and African descent) and Montuvios (people of African, Indigenous and European descent). They also mentioned another word for Montuvio was Cholo which I am familiar with.

A found a pic of a "Montuvio Ecuadorian"...yeah looks like me/my fam



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More pics:



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From "Hybridity, Mestizaje, and Montubios in Ecuador"

Paredes RamÃ*rez both presents the ‘racial’ ancestry of Montubios and admits
diversity among them “...they are diverse: of light skin, copper [skin], with evidence
of their mulatto, black, and chola ancestryâ€� (Paredes RamÃ*rez 2005:29). Montubios
are presented as the “‘other’ mestizos of the coastâ€� (Paredes RamÃ*rez 2005:28), while
the identity of the first mestizos is left unexplored, submerged under the occasional
use of the ‘white-mestizo’ label. Significantly, Estrada notes that the
Montubio is the core of coastal mestizaje.
Three characteristics seem to substantiate the separation of ‘montuvios’ from
other ‘mestizos’. Firstly, contrary the Ecuadorian mestizo as reviewed at the start of this paper, Afroecuadorian ‘blood’ and Afroecuadorian cultural traits, broadly
defined, are mentioned as part of the ‘montuvio’s’ ‘racial’/ethnic mixture. De la
Cuadra, for example, summarizes the ‘composition’ of montuvios as “60 percent
Indigenous, 30 percent Black, and 10 percent white� (de la Cuadra and Robles
1996:27). Following this formula, the prologue to the first edition of de la Cuadra’s
book on montuvios, introduces them as, …rural proletariat that lives next to the great rivers, [and] is the result of the fusion of the Indians with the black on which[,] through the passing of the centuries[,] have been deposited drops of white blood… it is the product, moreover, of the inheritance left by African imports (IMAN 1937:10, my emphasis).
Estrada’s recent book on Montubios (1996) supports these ideas by presenting a
photograph of the different ‘races’ that have combined to create the ‘montubio’
people: the ‘white European’, the ‘Black’, and the ‘Cayapa Indians’ of the Ecuadorian coast (Estrada 1996:25). The linking of Montubios to a specifically coastal Indigenous ancestry, rather than to Indigenous peoples more broadly should be highlighted, as it sustains their separation from the larger Indigenous movement and marks them as uniquely coastal. In the case of Ecuador the exclusion of Afro heritage from the construction of mestizaje means that those who are linked to such ancestry might not be equally valued within the national mixture. Montubios, as we noted, have been linked to an Afro ancestry. Moreover, the adoption of certain cultural products created by ‘others’ into the hegemonic culture need not entail the acceptance of these ‘others’. Thus, the fact that Montubio heritage
is praised in some of the recent representations of Montubios by Ecuador’s cultural elite, does not mean that Montubios are granted a voice within national political and
economic spheres. They might simply be accepted as folkloric oddities.

[gabbaman]

I never thought a substantial Afro population was there. Very interesting.

Duran Ecuador


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[Chito]

This guy looks like my dad

[nuncEtedben]

This could be a good word to use in place of "triracial", but we would need to detail its meaning for a whole year or more before it finally sinks in forumwide, as it happened with "griffe".

[TineSeign]

This could be a good word to use in place of "triracial", but we would need to detail its meaning for a whole year or more before it finally sinks in forumwide, as it happened with "griffe".

Thing is montuvio is referring to a specific community or communities on the Ecuadorian Southern coast, and montuvio comes from the word monte. Not all triracials are from the coast and monte.

Check this PDF, comunidades Montuvias de Ecuador
http://www.inec.gob.ec/inec/index.ph...html=1&lang=es

[frkksptn]

This guy looks like my dad

Yes, he does.

[meteeratymn]

Andullero and all,
Check this paper "Coastal Ecuador’s Montubios in Ethnogeographic and Historical Perspective" http://lsu.academia.edu/KMathewson/P...al_Perspective

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More videos:





Guy with the hat is a Montubio politician/leader

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another good information video, check this one out Andu. How would they be seen in DR?



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Another good one, lots of Montuvio phenos in this one

I'd say they're basically predominantly Indigenous triracials.

[myspauyijbv]

These 2 guys look very Triracial.

[Mister.levitra]

Hoxxx is there a region in Peru known for triracials too? Does the Peruvian coast have a similar identity?

[MarlboroCig]

Hoxxx is there a region in Peru known for triracials too?

The city of Chincha has a lot of Triracials as well as certain neighborhoods of Lima even though most of them don't identify as such.

Does the Peruvian coast have a similar identity? I would say the Peruvian coast has an overall Mixed identity; a popular saying is "Quien no tiene de inga tiene de mandinga."; "One who doesn't have Inka (Native blood) has Mandinka (Black blood)". So most people even Triracials have Biracial identities such as; Zambo, Mestizo, Cholo, Mulato. Very few people have Triracial identities.

[leoto5Fm]

They look like people in my neighborhood.

[actrisski]

They look like people in my neighborhood.

Where are those people in your neighborhood from?

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The city of Chincha has a lot of Triracials as well as certain neighborhoods of Lima even though most of them don't identify as such.



I would say the Peruvian coast has an overall Mixed identity; a popular saying is "Quien no tiene de inga tiene de mandinga."; "One who doesn't have Inka (Native blood) has Mandinka (Black blood)". So most people even Triracials have Biracial identities such as; Zambo, Mestizo, Cholo, Mulato. Very few people have Triracial identities.

Cholo is a biracial identity in Peru?

[allachakb]

Where are those people in your neighborhood from??

All over.

Hispanic Population by National Origin – 2010 Census
Not Hispanic or Latino 30000

Mexican 7649
Puerto Rican 2084
Cuban 804
Dominican 4183
Central American 1465
Costa Rican 81
Guatemalan 358
Honduran 303
Nicaraguan 123
Panamanian 67
Salvadoran 532
Other Central American 2
South American 20425
Argentinean 394
Bolivian 367
Chilean 230
Colombian 8269
Ecuadorian 9097
Paraguayan 96
Peruvian 1558
Uruguayan 112
Venezuelan 258
Other South American 45
Other Hispanic or Latino 2977
Spaniard 267
Spanish 132
Spanish American 9

[valiumnopresc]

Luisa, Montuvios will not look like a whole lotta nationalites you just listed. Especially Spaniards

[lzwha]

Luisa, Montuvios will not look like a whole lotta nationalites you just listed. Especially Spaniards

Just telling you what I see. I think the majority are Ecuadorians, Colombians and Mexicans.

The numbers of Spaniards are very low, in comparison.

[HunterM]

Just telling you what I see. I think the majority are Ecuadorians, Colombians and Mexicans.

The numbers of Spaniards are very low, in comparison.

I don't think the Ecuadorians and Mexicans in Queens look Afromixed but ok.

[pMJWFoAWD]

I don't think the Ecuadorians and Mexicans in Queens look Afromixed but ok.

A lot of them look like these two guys, except for the grey eyes on #2.
When were you in Queens last? Things have changed dramatically in the past ten years.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...85&postcount=8

[Freeptube]

Cholo is a biracial identity in Peru?

Yeaap; strictly speaking it means someone who is 3/4 Native and 1/4 European; although it can also be used for Mestizo in general; people don't use the word Mestizo in Peru very often; Cholo is a lot more used to describe people of varying and noticeable Native and European admixture; for instance light-skinned Mestizos can be referred to as "Cholos Blancos".

[alexbookhyip]

A lot of them look like these two guys, except for the grey eyes on #2.
When were you in Queens last? Things have changed dramatically in the past ten years.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...85&postcount=8

I was there in 09

[janeseymore09092]

They look familiar to me. I think I have seen representatives of this community before. Could be your cousins, MK.