[educationonlines]

Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt were the perfect duo. The two of them combined were nearly unstoppable and both helped lead the Rams to a Superbowl victory in 1999 and a second Superbowl appearance in 2001.

Torry Holt made the Pro Bowl 7 times in his 11 year career and once as an All-Pro. He amassed 13,382 receiving yards -- putting him 10th all-time in receiving yards, and had 74 career reception TDs -- placing him above current HOFers Michael Irvin, Art Monk, and John Stallworth.

Perhaps one of the most impressive statistics for Torry Holt is that he is 2nd all-time in receiving yards per game with 77.4 yards per game. He is currently only behind Andre Johnson.

Holt had 8 seasons with over 1,000 yards receiving and never had under 700 yards receiving in a season. He is one of only two players to have posted two 1600-yard receiving seasons -- the other being Marvin Harrison. He also holds the NFL record for consecutive seasons with at least 1,300 yards receiving: 6 seasons in a row.

So, does Torry Holt belong in the HOF?

[erelvenewmeva]

Holt is a tough one for me. Compared to some receivers who are yet to be inducted, it's hard to argue Holt -- Bruce, Brown, Carter, Owens, Moss, and Harrison will all have to get in before him.

And if Holt gets in, where does it leave guys like Rod Smith, Jimmy Smith, Chad Ochocinco, Hines Ward, and maybe even Derrick Mason?

So, it makes me uneasy to let Holt in, even though I do think he was one of the best receivers out there during his career.

[Yessaniloas]

I guarantee there's guys in there w worse #'s. So its a yes.

[Deseassaugs]

I guarantee there's guys in there w worse #'s. So its a yes.

If we let everyone in that has stats better than the guy with the worst numbers, there are going to be a lot of new HOFers inducted.

Inevitably it's always brought up but Lynn Swann's numbers suck. Practically every starting receiver who has played 5 years in the NFL has comparable numbers to him.

[HotboTgameR]

If we let everyone in that has stats better than the guy with the worst numbers, there are going to be a lot of new HOFers inducted.

Inevitably it's always brought up but Lynn Swann's numbers suck. Practically every starting receiver who has played 5 years in the NFL has comparable numbers to him.

Holt has the Stats, the Rings etc. He should be in. He one one of the best in his era.

[enurihent]

Yes.

[bubbachew14]

He's borderline for me.

He's got the numbers, but this is passing league now more than ever before. During his peak he was one of the better WRs in the league, but I do think having Warner, Bruce, Pace, and Faulk as teammates might hurt him more than help him.

I'd lean towards yes though.

[johnbeller]

He's borderline for me.

He's got the numbers, but this is passing league now more than ever before. During his peak he was one of the better WRs in the league, but I do think having Warner, Bruce, Pace, and Faulk as teammates might hurt him more than help him.

I'd lean towards yes though.

He's borderline for me, but I'd lean towards no. I'm surprised at how many "yes" answers there are, though.

[goolen4you]

He's borderline for me, but I'd lean towards no. I'm surprised at how many "yes" answers there are, though.

I haven't looked at the numbers, but would you choose Holt or Bruce if you could only pick one?

I'd have to guess Holt was the superior player during their time together.

[Roferurse]

I haven't looked at the numbers, but would you choose Holt or Bruce if you could only pick one?

I'd have to guess Holt was the superior player during their time together.

Fair question. Holt was more dominant but didn't play nearly as long. Bruce's career was much longer. He played 16 years but only went to 4 Pro Bowls. Holt played 11 years but went to 7.

[b7RKli4l]

Fair question. Holt was more dominant but didn't play nearly as long. Bruce's career was much longer. He played 16 years but only went to 4 Pro Bowls. Holt played 11 years but went to 7.

That was my point though just in comparing the two. Holt was more dominant, albeit in a shorter period of time.

[icyfreshy]

I guarantee there's guys in there w worse #'s. So its a yes.

That's the kind of thinking that leads to the Hall of Mediocrity.

[Zoxeeoy]

That's the kind of thinking that leads to the Hall of Mediocrity.

Especially when you start comparing eras, thinking the stats are the same across the board.

[herrdwq]

Holt is a tough one for me. Compared to some receivers who are yet to be inducted, it's hard to argue Holt -- Bruce, Brown, Carter, Owens, Moss, and Harrison will all have to get in before him.

And if Holt gets in, where does it leave guys like Rod Smith, Jimmy Smith, Chad Ochocinco, Hines Ward, and maybe even Derrick Mason?

So, it makes me uneasy to let Holt in, even though I do think he was one of the best receivers out there during his career.

Off the top of my head, without looking at the #'s (so my perception could be off), I'd say: Holt is in. As is Tim Brown, Cris Carter, TO, Moss, and Harrison.

Bruce is out (he's the Eddie Murray candidate) as is J Smith, R Smith, Ochocino, and Mason.

H Ward I'd have to think about.

[Nashhlkq]

the more i looked at his numbers, and comapred him to other guys, I say NO now.....


10K yardsn really isnt that uncommon now, hes way low on tds. now i know his td numbers are affetced by the fast he had so many other great players on his team. But overall. the numbers by the book are just above average.

I guess if the Hall just looks at the guy as a whole, he could make it, Numbers wise, NO.

[BloofPailafum]

Off the top of my head, without looking at the #'s (so my perception could be off), I'd say: Holt is in. As is Tim Brown, Cris Carter, TO, Moss, and Harrison.

Bruce is out (he's the Eddie Murray candidate) as is J Smith, R Smith, Ochocino, and Mason.

H Ward I'd have to think about.

I actually looked at the numbers again. I'm not sure I'm sold on Bruce now. He was decent for a very long time, with flashes of being very good. Not sure he belongs in the HOF over Holt, now.

[SweetCaroline]

If we let everyone in that has stats better than the guy with the worst numbers, there are going to be a lot of new HOFers inducted.

Inevitably it's always brought up but Lynn Swann's numbers suck. Practically every starting receiver who has played 5 years in the NFL has comparable numbers to him.

Torry Holt is the gateway drug. He isn't bad, but you start with him and you will probably end up messing with a lot of junk you don't want.

[Faumpiggueria]

Eh.

I dont think so.

[mazabotman]

Torry Holt is the gateway drug. He isn't bad, but you start with him and you will probably end up messing with a lot of junk you don't want.

thats why i just compared him to alot of other guys, and yeah its a def no. there will be tons of guys with similar #'s.


Then you have guys like moss who have have 3k more yards and DOUBLE his tds. It just isnt close.

T.O and Moss should be 1st ballot guys. Both can be aholes, but they are no joke on the field.

[Sleedyhex]

If we let everyone in that has stats better than the guy with the worst numbers, there are going to be a lot of new HOFers inducted.

Inevitably it's always brought up but Lynn Swann's numbers suck. Practically every starting receiver who has played 5 years in the NFL has comparable numbers to him.

Seems like you're always using Swann's numbers to justify letting others in....or excluding 'em.

If all we did was pick a number and say that HoF'ers have to match up to that number in that era, we'd miss out on players who- although they don't match up to some stat geek's standards- still made valuable contributions to their team(s) in their time.

IMO, the HoF is about remembering those types of folks. It's not merely a statfest.