[Katoabralia]

They DID make that one change to elimate the "force out" rule, where even if the guy is pushed he needs to still have both feet down. More stuff like that.

Before they just assumed the guy would get both feet down.

Speaking of assuming: pass interference needs to be a 15 yard penalty.

Especially since it is called on the defense like 3 out of 4 times.

i hated the force out rule. Although I would've enjoyed it on SNF

[WepKeyday]

i hated the force out rule. Although I would've enjoyed it on SNF

Haha.
But Harvin was out on his own.

Another stupid rule is foward passes. I've seen where they call it an incomplete pass because the QB's arm is going forward when he got hit, but the ball went backwards.

Well hell, doesn't the ball need to go forward to be a pass?

I say anytime the QB gets hit when the ball is still in his hands, should be a fumble if it doesn't cross the LOS.

[BeaseHoca]

I'm all for that, they're in effect making it more complicated, which leads to more mistakes.

I believe the rules are more complicated BECAUSE of instant replay.

10 years ago we knew what a catch was. Shiancoe caught a td pass on Sun night. And Calvin Johnson caught a td pass in Week 1.

Replay isn't being used correctly. Way too much shit is challenged every game because there's a chance the refs can fuck up the call.

Anything that takes more than 10 seconds to review, the call stands on the field. I want replay only for OBVIOUSLY blown calls. I want the standard to be "BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT". Not let's keep looking at 64 angles and assume things we can't necessarily see. It's just gone too far.

[P1international]

I say anytime the QB gets hit when the ball is still in his hands, should be a fumble if it doesn't cross the LOS.

No way.

Too often a qb scrambles to avoid the sack and dumps it away towards the RB as he's getting hit. They can't all go for fumbles.

[Pedsshuth]

I believe the rules are more complicated BECAUSE of instant replay.

10 years ago we knew what a catch was. Shiancoe caught a td pass on Sun night. And Calvin Johnson caught a td pass in Week 1.

Replay isn't being used correctly. Way too much shit is challenged every game because there's a chance the refs can fuck up the call.

Anything that takes more than 10 seconds to review, the call stands on the field. I want replay only for OBVIOUSLY blown calls. I want the standard to be "BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT". Not let's keep looking at 64 angles and assume things we can't necessarily see. It's just gone too far.

And I agree with this too.

Simplify the game. Replay can correct egregious errors. If you can't tell after 10 seconds, call stands. And if you have the refs carrying iPads, they can make that call from the field.

Booth ref sees a mistake.
Presses a button, all the refs get the signal and check their iPads for the replay.
Review for 10 seconds, confer via headset.
Make the call.

[career-builder]

Haha.
But Harvin was out on his own.

Another stupid rule is foward passes. I've seen where they call it an incomplete pass because the QB's arm is going forward when he got hit, but the ball went backwards.

Well hell, doesn't the ball need to go forward to be a pass?

I say anytime the QB gets hit when the ball is still in his hands, should be a fumble if it doesn't cross the LOS.

Simple answer is the ball MUST BE GOING FORWARD for it to be a forward pass. Arm is insufficient. If in doubt, it's a fumble.

[GinaIsWild]

Simple answer is the ball MUST BE GOING FORWARD for it to be a forward pass. Arm is insufficient. If in doubt, it's a fumble.

you mean get rid of the tuck rule?

....tuck rule, as I understand it, is if he fumbled while he was trying to protect it, it's not a fumble, i mean, given more time, he would've secured it.

[Ekrbcbvh]

If you can't tell after 10 seconds, call stands.

People might think we're joking on the 10 second thing but the badly blown calls are seen on the first replay by the broadcast team. Maybe they go to the reverse angle.... but everyone at home knows what the call should be by the time the coach throws his flag.

IMO, every time the announcers are debating it in the booth, the call should stand. There should not be any doubt when a call is overturned.

Of course, on Sunday night everyone agreed Shiancoe's was a catch and the official STILL overturned it. Just one more on a long list of replay failures.

[truportodfa]

People might think we're joking on the 10 second thing but the badly blown calls are seen on the first replay by the broadcast team. Maybe they go to the reverse angle.... but everyone at home knows what the call should be by the time the coach throws his flag.

IMO, every time the announcers are debating it in the booth, the call should stand. There should not be any doubt when a call is overturned.

Of course, on Sunday night everyone agreed Shiancoe's was a catch and the official STILL overturned it. Just one more on a long list of replay failures.

there are 1-2 Gb fans who felt it wasn't a catch

[bonyrek]

I believe the rules are more complicated BECAUSE of instant replay.

10 years ago we knew what a catch was. Shiancoe caught a td pass on Sun night. And Calvin Johnson caught a td pass in Week 1.

Replay isn't being used correctly. Way too much shit is challenged every game because there's a chance the refs can fuck up the call.

Anything that takes more than 10 seconds to review, the call stands on the field. I want replay only for OBVIOUSLY blown calls. I want the standard to be "BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT". Not let's keep looking at 64 angles and assume things we can't necessarily see. It's just gone too far.

How about this:

When a player fucks up, he gets benched or cut, and his team suffers the consequences. Everybody knows it, his family can be subjected to abuse and potentially violence by whatever lunatice fringe nutjob is out there. HE DOES NOT GET A DO-OVER!

But we give refs a do-over. Then even when they still fuck it up, they go on mostly anonymously- no fines or suspensions that we are ever made aware of.

If a ref fails a drug test, do we find out about it? or a DUI? or domestic abuse?

[DYjLN8rF]

How about this:

When a player fucks up, he gets benched or cut, and his team suffers the consequences. Everybody knows it, his family can be subjected to abuse and potentially violence by whatever lunatice fringe nutjob is out there. HE DOES NOT GET A DO-OVER!

But we give refs a do-over. Then even when they still fuck it up, they go on mostly anonymously- no fines or suspensions that we are ever made aware of.

If a ref fails a drug test, do we find out about it? or a DUI? or domestic abuse?

scott norwood had to change his name and move to a foreign land, I believe Quebec

[Wavgbtif]

I'm in favor of getting the call right, all the time.

Unfortunately, there are times when even replay can't fix the fucked up call that was made on the field, i.e. Steelers/Dolphins. That linesman couldn't see the ball but he went ahead and made the wrong call anyway. And once he did, the whole deal was fucked and no amount of replay could fix it.

[StampNews]

Unfortunately, there are times when even replay can't fix the fucked up call that was made on the field, i.e. Steelers/Dolphins. That linesman couldn't see the ball but he went ahead and made the wrong call anyway. And once he did, the whole deal was fucked and no amount of replay could fix it.

Agreed, but the closer we can get to perfection, the better.

[xsexymasterix]

How about this:

When a player fucks up, he gets benched or cut, and his team suffers the consequences. Everybody knows it, his family can be subjected to abuse and potentially violence by whatever lunatice fringe nutjob is out there. HE DOES NOT GET A DO-OVER!

But we give refs a do-over. Then even when they still fuck it up, they go on mostly anonymously- no fines or suspensions that we are ever made aware of.

If a ref fails a drug test, do we find out about it? or a DUI? or domestic abuse?

Do you know this man?



The point is that refs SHOULD be anonymous (generally speaking) in the context of the game.

In MLB, would you know who Jim Joyce is if replay were available to fix the mistake in Gallaraga's perfect game?

[maxfreemann]

you mean get rid of the tuck rule?

....tuck rule, as I understand it, is if he fumbled while he was trying to protect it, it's not a fumble, i mean, given more time, he would've secured it.

I mean clarify what is unclear.

Across the board.

[Aafimoq]

Do you know this man?



The point is that refs SHOULD be anonymous (generally speaking) in the context of the game.

In MLB, would you know who Jim Joyce is if replay were available to fix the mistake in Gallaraga's perfect game?

Let's not begrudge a man the right to have awesome guns, now.

[Pataacculakp]

that's the hulk dom.

[OccabsLam]

I agree, but that's why you need guys off the field helping to make the calls. No 'running to the sideline' - 95% of the calls are right. It's that 5% that are questionable, and a quick resolution to them helps the game.

2 guys up in a booth with instant access to every camera angle could solved all the problems. I would still like full time refs though so that they could have more 'ref school' and wouldnt have to rely so much on the guys in the booth.

[POMAH_K]

2 guys up in a booth with instant access to every camera angle could solved all the problems. I would still like full time refs though so that they could have more 'ref school' and wouldnt have to rely so much on the guys in the booth.

As much as I agree on Full time refs, what do they do the other 7 days of the week during the season? All other sports w/ full time refs (though I am not sure about pro soccer) have multiple games a week to justify paying them full time...and there is no off-season they can be working, while in baseball at least there are fall leagues they can work and then spring training.

[RgtrsKfR]

Do you know this man?



The point is that refs SHOULD be anonymous (generally speaking) in the context of the game.

In MLB, would you know who Jim Joyce is if replay were available to fix the mistake in Gallaraga's perfect game?

Actually anybody who follows baseball regularly does know most of the umpires because we see them a lot more often than anybody sees a football ref, and during the game only one ref is really visible making the calls and such. In baseball any ump can be involved in just about any play to make a call. I watch at least one football game every sunday and have for many years, but I could not name a single ref.
As I said about full time refs, it is tough to compare the two.