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**Gilowero** · 01-28-2010, 06:56 PM

With the offense Tommy Boy had, I don't think he could've missed a SB ring if he purposely tried to flop. That's why I left him off.

Interesting you say that. Brady had LESS to work with offensively than Manning or Montana. In fact, you could compare all the no name guys on Brady's offense to what Brees now tends to work with.

New England did have a tough defense back then though.

**9Goarveboofe** · 01-28-2010, 06:56 PM

Manning plays in a dome. He doesn't have to deal with the elements. Joe Montana played in San Francisco. Also, Joe Montana beat great defenses. I don't know if Manning has.

2006 bears in the SB?

**Aluback** · 01-28-2010, 06:57 PM

No, but that's only four games, compared to the 150+ that both have or will have played in their careers. What I'm saying is that Super Bowl success is GROSSLY overvalued in the 'quarterback greatness' evaluating scheme.

Yeah, only the biggest 4 games of anyone's career.

**Gymnfacymoota** · 01-28-2010, 06:58 PM

Trent Dilfer's name always has to come up when you judge quarterbacks on rings.

Just because Dilfer has a ring and Marino doesn't, does that make Dilfer the better quarterback?

I'm siding with Whiskey on this one.

I'm surprised Brady has been left off most of everyone's list though.

That's absolutely ridiculous. I never said that every QB with a SB was great, or that every QB without one wasn't.

What I said was, all things being equal, playoff and Superbowl success means a LOT to me over what some QB did in September and October against crappy teams.

**nAKMzyBN** · 01-28-2010, 06:58 PM

I kno it's not the same, but it's not like Peyton plays every game of his life in a dome. Yes he plays half the season there, but I'd be interested to see his career splits, dome v. outdoors.

Home: 98.1 QB rating
Road: 91.6 QB rating

Included in those numbers are 8 games @ Houston.

**Piediahef** · 01-28-2010, 06:59 PM

fixed.

and to be honest, no one except gb fans give a shit about gb.

fixed again.

**WournGona** · 01-28-2010, 07:00 PM

2006 bears in the SB?

His defense won that game. Not to take that away from him, but the way he won that game wasn't much different from the way his brother won his game.

Also Joe Montana outdueled Ken Anderson, Boomer Esiason, Dan Marino, and John Elway. Peyton Manning outdueled Rex Grossman. Winning this year would go a long was to his legacy.

**AntonayPina** · 01-28-2010, 07:02 PM

No, but that's only four games, compared to the 150+ that both have or will have played in their careers. What I'm saying is that Super Bowl success is GROSSLY overvalued in the 'quarterback greatness' evaluating scheme.

Wow.

**DailyRingtone** · 01-28-2010, 07:03 PM

Yeah, only the biggest 4 games of anyone's career.

Greg Maddux is 2-3 in his world series appearences. Curt Schilling is 4-1. Would you say Curt Schilling, therefore, is better than Greg Maddux?

**sobre** · 01-28-2010, 07:03 PM

His defense won that game. Not to take that away from him, but the way he won that game wasn't much different from the way his brother won his game.

How did his defense with that game? The Colts offense had the ball for 2/3 of the game. Manning, Addai, and Rhodes are what won that game.

**ApporpSothe** · 01-28-2010, 07:03 PM

Home: 98.1 QB rating
Road: 91.6 QB rating

Included in those numbers are 8 games @ Houston.

That's not such a big abberation .. I personally thought it would be a little more lop-sided.

**Dwemadayday** · 01-28-2010, 07:04 PM

No, but that's only four games, compared to the 150+ that both have or will have played in their careers. What I'm saying is that Super Bowl success is GROSSLY overvalued in the 'quarterback greatness' evaluating scheme.

That's bold Whisk, real bold.

**smirnoffdear** · 01-28-2010, 07:05 PM

How did his defense with that game? The Colts offense had the ball for 2/3 of the game. Manning, Addai, and Rhodes are what won that game.

It was 22-17 until Rex Grossman threw a Pick 6. Manning didn't dominate that team.

**Wrasialat** · 01-28-2010, 07:06 PM

How did his defense with that game? The Colts offense had the ball for 2/3 of the game. Manning, Addai, and Rhodes are what won that game.

The running game accounted for 191 yards in that game, and they got a defensive TD as well.

Manning had 1 TD and 1 INT. His impact in that SB really was minimal compared to the rushing attack, and defense.

He didn't lose it, but he didn't do anything special either.

**BodoidearoLew** · 01-28-2010, 07:07 PM

What I'm saying is that Super Bowl success is GROSSLY overvalued in the 'quarterback greatness' evaluating scheme.

Dan Marino is a perfect example of why I would agree with this.

**Peter Hill** · 01-28-2010, 07:07 PM

Dan Marino is a perfect example of why I would agree with this.

1 out of how many?

**daguy** · 01-28-2010, 07:08 PM

Greg Maddux is 2-3 in his world series appearences. Curt Schilling is 4-1. Would you say Curt Schilling, therefore, is better than Greg Maddux?

In the big game? Absolutely. I'd say the same about John Smoltz and Jack Morris too, but the career stats aren't close. Hell, even Andy Pettitte.

If you think I'm knocking Manning, I am not.

He is an awesome QB, but right now at this point in his career, I can't put him ahead of Montana. No way.

They didn't call him Joe Cool for nothing. He had ice water in his veins.

Besides that, there's a big difference in winning a series of best of 7's, and winning 3-4 games in a row too.

**Caluabdum** · 01-28-2010, 07:09 PM

Dan Marino is a perfect example of why I would agree with this.

But you can't discount the success either. Joe Montana playing 4 Super Bowls, throwing 11 TDs, 0 picks, and winning all 4 of them shouldn't be ignored.

**MP+4** · 01-28-2010, 07:10 PM

In the big game? Absolutely. I'd say the same about John Smoltz and Jack Morris too, but the career stats aren't close. Hell, even Andy Pettitte.

If you think I'm knocking Manning, I am not.

He is an awesome QB, but right now at this point in his career, I can't put him ahead of Montana. No way.

They didn't call him Joe Cool for nothing. He had ice water in his veins.

Besides that, there's a big difference in winning a series of best of 7's, and winning 3-4 games in a row too.

I'm not going to disagree that at this point, Montana may be rated higher than Manning.

My biggest beef is that the amount of weight put on Super Bowl Rings is disproportianate to the quarterbacks entire body of work.

**Fdmnrnba** · 01-28-2010, 07:10 PM

Greg Maddux is 2-3 in his world series appearences. Curt Schilling is 4-1. Would you say Curt Schilling, therefore, is better than Greg Maddux?

No, but if your comparing Sandy Koufax to Greg Maddux, then you can use the post season records as a deciding factor.

01-28-2010, 06:56 PM	#61
Gilowero Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 434 Senior Member	With the offense Tommy Boy had, I don't think he could've missed a SB ring if he purposely tried to flop. That's why I left him off. Interesting you say that. Brady had LESS to work with offensively than Manning or Montana. In fact, you could compare all the no name guys on Brady's offense to what Brees now tends to work with. New England did have a tough defense back then though. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 06:56 PM	#62
9Goarveboofe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	Manning plays in a dome. He doesn't have to deal with the elements. Joe Montana played in San Francisco. Also, Joe Montana beat great defenses. I don't know if Manning has. 2006 bears in the SB? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 06:57 PM	#63
Aluback Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 475 Senior Member	No, but that's only four games, compared to the 150+ that both have or will have played in their careers. What I'm saying is that Super Bowl success is GROSSLY overvalued in the 'quarterback greatness' evaluating scheme. Yeah, only the biggest 4 games of anyone's career. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 06:58 PM	#64
Gymnfacymoota Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	Trent Dilfer's name always has to come up when you judge quarterbacks on rings. Just because Dilfer has a ring and Marino doesn't, does that make Dilfer the better quarterback? I'm siding with Whiskey on this one. I'm surprised Brady has been left off most of everyone's list though. That's absolutely ridiculous. I never said that every QB with a SB was great, or that every QB without one wasn't. What I said was, all things being equal, playoff and Superbowl success means a LOT to me over what some QB did in September and October against crappy teams. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 06:58 PM	#65
nAKMzyBN Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	I kno it's not the same, but it's not like Peyton plays every game of his life in a dome. Yes he plays half the season there, but I'd be interested to see his career splits, dome v. outdoors. Home: 98.1 QB rating Road: 91.6 QB rating Included in those numbers are 8 games @ Houston. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 06:59 PM	#66
Piediahef Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 431 Senior Member	fixed. and to be honest, no one except gb fans give a shit about gb. fixed again. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:00 PM	#67
WournGona Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	2006 bears in the SB? His defense won that game. Not to take that away from him, but the way he won that game wasn't much different from the way his brother won his game. Also Joe Montana outdueled Ken Anderson, Boomer Esiason, Dan Marino, and John Elway. Peyton Manning outdueled Rex Grossman. Winning this year would go a long was to his legacy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:02 PM	#68
AntonayPina Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 522 Senior Member	No, but that's only four games, compared to the 150+ that both have or will have played in their careers. What I'm saying is that Super Bowl success is GROSSLY overvalued in the 'quarterback greatness' evaluating scheme. Wow. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:03 PM	#69
DailyRingtone Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 690 Senior Member	Yeah, only the biggest 4 games of anyone's career. Greg Maddux is 2-3 in his world series appearences. Curt Schilling is 4-1. Would you say Curt Schilling, therefore, is better than Greg Maddux? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:03 PM	#70
sobre Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 382 Senior Member	His defense won that game. Not to take that away from him, but the way he won that game wasn't much different from the way his brother won his game. How did his defense with that game? The Colts offense had the ball for 2/3 of the game. Manning, Addai, and Rhodes are what won that game. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:03 PM	#71
ApporpSothe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 408 Senior Member	Home: 98.1 QB rating Road: 91.6 QB rating Included in those numbers are 8 games @ Houston. That's not such a big abberation .. I personally thought it would be a little more lop-sided. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:04 PM	#72
Dwemadayday Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 449 Senior Member	No, but that's only four games, compared to the 150+ that both have or will have played in their careers. What I'm saying is that Super Bowl success is GROSSLY overvalued in the 'quarterback greatness' evaluating scheme. That's bold Whisk, real bold. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:05 PM	#73
smirnoffdear Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 419 Senior Member	How did his defense with that game? The Colts offense had the ball for 2/3 of the game. Manning, Addai, and Rhodes are what won that game. It was 22-17 until Rex Grossman threw a Pick 6. Manning didn't dominate that team. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:06 PM	#74
Wrasialat Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	How did his defense with that game? The Colts offense had the ball for 2/3 of the game. Manning, Addai, and Rhodes are what won that game. The running game accounted for 191 yards in that game, and they got a defensive TD as well. Manning had 1 TD and 1 INT. His impact in that SB really was minimal compared to the rushing attack, and defense. He didn't lose it, but he didn't do anything special either. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:07 PM	#75
BodoidearoLew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 331 Senior Member	What I'm saying is that Super Bowl success is GROSSLY overvalued in the 'quarterback greatness' evaluating scheme. Dan Marino is a perfect example of why I would agree with this. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:07 PM	#76
Peter Hill Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 558 Senior Member	Dan Marino is a perfect example of why I would agree with this. 1 out of how many? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:08 PM	#77
daguy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 607 Senior Member	Greg Maddux is 2-3 in his world series appearences. Curt Schilling is 4-1. Would you say Curt Schilling, therefore, is better than Greg Maddux? In the big game? Absolutely. I'd say the same about John Smoltz and Jack Morris too, but the career stats aren't close. Hell, even Andy Pettitte. If you think I'm knocking Manning, I am not. He is an awesome QB, but right now at this point in his career, I can't put him ahead of Montana. No way. They didn't call him Joe Cool for nothing. He had ice water in his veins. Besides that, there's a big difference in winning a series of best of 7's, and winning 3-4 games in a row too. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:09 PM	#78
Caluabdum Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 523 Senior Member	Dan Marino is a perfect example of why I would agree with this. But you can't discount the success either. Joe Montana playing 4 Super Bowls, throwing 11 TDs, 0 picks, and winning all 4 of them shouldn't be ignored. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:10 PM	#79
MP+4 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 595 Senior Member	In the big game? Absolutely. I'd say the same about John Smoltz and Jack Morris too, but the career stats aren't close. Hell, even Andy Pettitte. If you think I'm knocking Manning, I am not. He is an awesome QB, but right now at this point in his career, I can't put him ahead of Montana. No way. They didn't call him Joe Cool for nothing. He had ice water in his veins. Besides that, there's a big difference in winning a series of best of 7's, and winning 3-4 games in a row too. I'm not going to disagree that at this point, Montana may be rated higher than Manning. My biggest beef is that the amount of weight put on Super Bowl Rings is disproportianate to the quarterbacks entire body of work. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 07:10 PM	#80
Fdmnrnba Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	Greg Maddux is 2-3 in his world series appearences. Curt Schilling is 4-1. Would you say Curt Schilling, therefore, is better than Greg Maddux? No, but if your comparing Sandy Koufax to Greg Maddux, then you can use the post season records as a deciding factor. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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