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**accelieda** · 01-28-2010, 05:23 AM

While I think there are others whom you will consider, I think these two were the most innovative as they changed Offensive schemes as a result.

Both scum bags, so only consider on-field performance/ability.

**BinasiDombrs** · 01-28-2010, 05:35 AM

Lewis was an amazing player, but I don't know how innovative he was. LT changed the game.

**Daruhuw** · 01-28-2010, 05:43 AM

Lewis was an amazing player, but I don't know how innovative he was. LT changed the game.

I mainly considered him for the fear he instilled. It's been a while since the league's had a ball-hunting LB who stuck around longer than 5-6 yrs.

**vNGiDaFX** · 01-28-2010, 03:13 PM

Ray Lewis....seriously? Even if I just stick with MLB's, Zack Thomas did more to change the game than Ray Lewis.

**sbgctsa** · 01-28-2010, 04:34 PM

L.T. easy in this one.

**seervezex** · 01-28-2010, 04:39 PM

LT by light years. I know this because LT played the same time as #50, and as good as Singletary was(better then Lewis), he didn't change schemes like Taylor.

**xsVfF9Em** · 01-28-2010, 04:40 PM

Ray Lewis....seriously? Even if I just stick with MLB's, Zack Thomas did more to change the game than Ray Lewis.

So here's how we can settle this argument ... go out there and tell me how many times you want to run in Ray's direction.

Let me guess, you're upset I didn't say LT or Urlacher, rather than Lewis?

**bensabath** · 01-28-2010, 04:55 PM

So here's how we can settle this argument ... go out there and tell me how many times you want to run in Ray's direction.

Let me guess, you're upset I didn't say LT or Urlacher, rather than Lewis?

Bad guess. Lewis is your classic MLB who really did nothing to change the position.

**Aleenkagirlla** · 01-28-2010, 05:04 PM

Lewis may have been the best LB'er of his generation, but he didn't change the game.

**PickEmUp** · 01-28-2010, 05:06 PM

Lewis may have been the best LB'er of his generation, but he didn't change the game.

Only bcus LT beat him to the punch. But I'm biased, so wtf do I kno?

**N95FzmMw** · 01-28-2010, 05:07 PM

Lewis may have been the best LB'er of his generation, but he didn't change the game.

I think guys like Brian Dawkins, Ed Reed, and Troy Polamalu changed the game more then Lewis.

**MADwanker** · 01-28-2010, 05:28 PM

I think guys like Brian Dawkins, Ed Reed, and Troy Polamalu changed the game more then Lewis.

Agreed

**ovH9wfSJ** · 01-28-2010, 05:32 PM

Agreed

Phans agreeing on something?! Shocking!

As far as guys in the secondary, I would give Dawkins my vote for being the most game-change-ingest.

**PoideAdelereX** · 01-28-2010, 05:32 PM

I think guys like Brian Dawkins, Ed Reed, and Troy Polamalu changed the game more then Lewis.

To a certain extent I would agree.

Reed was more of a gamechanger in that most of his skillset is coverage. He was more of a product of changes in the game that started with moving a vet CB (such as Rod Woodson or Tory Vincent) over to FS most guys that played that spot were in the box safeties.

I don't see Dawkins or Polamalu changing the game much outside of having more coverage ability than someone like Darren Woodson or Steve Atwater did.

**Ad0i89Od** · 01-28-2010, 05:37 PM

I think guys like Brian Dawkins, Ed Reed, and Troy Polamalu changed the game more then Lewis.

I may be biased, but I would throw LeRoy Butler in there too.

**XiWm9O9S** · 01-28-2010, 05:40 PM

Only bcus LT beat him to the punch. But I'm biased, so wtf do I kno?

Lewis plays the middle, LT was on the outside. I don't think the impact they can have on any given game is comparable, in all honesty.

**hhynmtrxcp** · 01-28-2010, 05:43 PM

Lewis plays the middle, LT was on the outside. I don't think the impact they can have on any given game is comparable, in all honesty.

I agree. LT was known for his pass rushing which is not something anyone points out in Lewis game.

**InvertPrete** · 01-28-2010, 05:44 PM

I may be biased, but I would throw LeRoy Butler in there too.

how did butler change the game?

**illiniastibly** · 01-28-2010, 05:46 PM

how did butler change the game?

If you look, he is the first to join the 20/20 club of 20 Int's and 20 sacks. Which is the one the thing Dawkins is known for, but let's not question Dawkins being a game changer. Had his career not been stopped short, he's a HOFer. He did a lot more than people give him credit for.

**Farson** · 01-28-2010, 05:49 PM

If you look, he is the first to join the 20/20 club of 20 Int's and 20 sacks. Which is the one the thing Dawkins is known for, but let's not question Dawkins being a game changer. Had his career not been stopped short, he's a HOFer. He did a lot more than people give him credit for.

Just asking.

i didnt mean anything by it.

01-28-2010, 05:23 AM	#1
accelieda Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 390 Senior Member	More "Innovative" Defensive Player While I think there are others whom you will consider, I think these two were the most innovative as they changed Offensive schemes as a result. Both scum bags, so only consider on-field performance/ability. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:35 AM	#2
BinasiDombrs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 619 Senior Member	Lewis was an amazing player, but I don't know how innovative he was. LT changed the game. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:43 AM	#3
Daruhuw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 553 Senior Member	Lewis was an amazing player, but I don't know how innovative he was. LT changed the game. I mainly considered him for the fear he instilled. It's been a while since the league's had a ball-hunting LB who stuck around longer than 5-6 yrs. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 03:13 PM	#4
vNGiDaFX Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 512 Senior Member	Ray Lewis....seriously? Even if I just stick with MLB's, Zack Thomas did more to change the game than Ray Lewis. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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sbgctsa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 554 Senior Member	L.T. easy in this one. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 04:39 PM	#6
seervezex Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 400 Senior Member	LT by light years. I know this because LT played the same time as #50, and as good as Singletary was(better then Lewis), he didn't change schemes like Taylor. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 04:40 PM	#7
xsVfF9Em Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 439 Senior Member	Ray Lewis....seriously? Even if I just stick with MLB's, Zack Thomas did more to change the game than Ray Lewis. So here's how we can settle this argument ... go out there and tell me how many times you want to run in Ray's direction. Let me guess, you're upset I didn't say LT or Urlacher, rather than Lewis? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 04:55 PM	#8
bensabath Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 464 Senior Member	So here's how we can settle this argument ... go out there and tell me how many times you want to run in Ray's direction. Let me guess, you're upset I didn't say LT or Urlacher, rather than Lewis? Bad guess. Lewis is your classic MLB who really did nothing to change the position. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:04 PM	#9
Aleenkagirlla Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 399 Senior Member	Lewis may have been the best LB'er of his generation, but he didn't change the game. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:06 PM	#10
PickEmUp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 450 Senior Member	Lewis may have been the best LB'er of his generation, but he didn't change the game. Only bcus LT beat him to the punch. But I'm biased, so wtf do I kno? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:07 PM	#11
N95FzmMw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 334 Senior Member	Lewis may have been the best LB'er of his generation, but he didn't change the game. I think guys like Brian Dawkins, Ed Reed, and Troy Polamalu changed the game more then Lewis. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:28 PM	#12
MADwanker Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 455 Senior Member	I think guys like Brian Dawkins, Ed Reed, and Troy Polamalu changed the game more then Lewis. Agreed Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:32 PM	#13
ovH9wfSJ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 514 Senior Member	Agreed Phans agreeing on something?! Shocking! As far as guys in the secondary, I would give Dawkins my vote for being the most game-change-ingest. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:32 PM	#14
PoideAdelereX Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 314 Senior Member	I think guys like Brian Dawkins, Ed Reed, and Troy Polamalu changed the game more then Lewis. To a certain extent I would agree. Reed was more of a gamechanger in that most of his skillset is coverage. He was more of a product of changes in the game that started with moving a vet CB (such as Rod Woodson or Tory Vincent) over to FS most guys that played that spot were in the box safeties. I don't see Dawkins or Polamalu changing the game much outside of having more coverage ability than someone like Darren Woodson or Steve Atwater did. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:37 PM	#15
Ad0i89Od Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 374 Senior Member	I think guys like Brian Dawkins, Ed Reed, and Troy Polamalu changed the game more then Lewis. I may be biased, but I would throw LeRoy Butler in there too. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:40 PM	#16
XiWm9O9S Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 400 Senior Member	Only bcus LT beat him to the punch. But I'm biased, so wtf do I kno? Lewis plays the middle, LT was on the outside. I don't think the impact they can have on any given game is comparable, in all honesty. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:43 PM	#17
hhynmtrxcp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 444 Senior Member	Lewis plays the middle, LT was on the outside. I don't think the impact they can have on any given game is comparable, in all honesty. I agree. LT was known for his pass rushing which is not something anyone points out in Lewis game. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:44 PM	#18
InvertPrete Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 527 Senior Member	I may be biased, but I would throw LeRoy Butler in there too. how did butler change the game? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:46 PM	#19
illiniastibly Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 400 Senior Member	how did butler change the game? If you look, he is the first to join the 20/20 club of 20 Int's and 20 sacks. Which is the one the thing Dawkins is known for, but let's not question Dawkins being a game changer. Had his career not been stopped short, he's a HOFer. He did a lot more than people give him credit for. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 05:49 PM	#20
Farson Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 538 Senior Member	If you look, he is the first to join the 20/20 club of 20 Int's and 20 sacks. Which is the one the thing Dawkins is known for, but let's not question Dawkins being a game changer. Had his career not been stopped short, he's a HOFer. He did a lot more than people give him credit for. Just asking. i didnt mean anything by it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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