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Old 09-17-2009, 08:18 PM   #21
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I would think 15 yards plus another 15 yards for a mugging would be pretty severe, and would keep them honest as well. PI is very subjective, that's why I don't like it being a spot foul, it is call that gets screwed up either not called or should have been called.
Basically illegal contact then, which you get 5 yards for.
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:52 PM   #22
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I would think 15 yards plus another 15 yards for a mugging would be pretty severe, and would keep them honest as well. PI is very subjective, that's why I don't like it being a spot foul, it is call that gets screwed up either not called or should have been called.
then we'll see WRs start flopping when there's the littlest bump trying to get the extra 15 yards as well.... do we really want to turn it into the NBA?
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:57 PM   #23
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then we'll see WRs start flopping when there's the littlest bump trying to get the extra 15 yards as well.... do we really want to turn it into the NBA?
Worse...Soccer. The WR flop and roll in agony waiting for the stretcher. Only to get up and run back onto the field 1 play later like nothing happened.
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:00 PM   #24
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Worse...Soccer. The WR flop and roll in agony waiting for the stretcher. Only to get up and run back onto the field 1 play later like nothing happened.
You mean, because nothing actually happened.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:06 PM   #25
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You mean, because nothing actually happened.
Except for the extreme drama of rolling around the ground in agony.

I never understood how they could act so injured like someone ripped out their testicles with an ice pick, and then trot back on the field 15 seconds later as if that drama never occurred.

I'd at least fake limp around for a while, to at least try to act like I was really injured. I don't think I could just stand right up and start running admitting I just put on the worst act of all time.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:15 PM   #26
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Default Overtime Rules
I think that last night's finish (one possession, drive into FG range, score) highlights some of the issues with overtime in the NFL.

I do NOT advocate the 'everybody gets a chance' version from college. That's just idiocy.

I also don't want to say 'TD or bust'. Because that could go on a long, long time.

I don't like ties.

So I'd like to see a '5 point' rule in effect. First team to score 5 or more points wins.

Why 5? Because I want 2 FGs to count. I want a TD to be the goal. But I can concede that a safety and a FG should do it too.

5 points. It could be only one possession. It could take two. But it pushes overtime away from being a 'special teams' zone and back into being football.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:16 PM   #27
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isn't it the defense's job to get the ball back to the offense?
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:20 PM   #28
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Since you have let the Genie out of the bottle, I really like the College way of doing it. The only thing I might change for he Pros is to move it back to the 45 so the easy field goal is harder to get after 3 and out , and maybe make them go for 2 pts on the conversion as well.
The 5 pts idea is interesting though.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:25 PM   #29
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isn't it the defense's job to get the ball back to the offense?
It is. But I dislike the FG as the way to end the game. A decent KO return, and 30 yards... and you are in a winnable position under the current rules. That seems cheap.

If you want to use FGs, you need two of them to win.

(I'm equally happy with saying that OT requires a TD. But the points option allows for more variety.)
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:25 PM   #30
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why not just play an extra quarter and whoever has the lead after wins or in case of a tie then go to sudden death.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:26 PM   #31
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why not just play an extra quarter and whoever has the lead after wins or in case of a tie then go to sudden death.
Too much abuse on the player's bodies. I want the game to end as quickly as a team can do so - but just not with short drive & FG.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:27 PM   #32
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It is. But I dislike the FG as the way to end the game. A decent KO return, and 30 yards... and you are in a winnable position under the current rules. That seems cheap.

If you want to use FGs, you need two of them to win.

(I'm equally happy with saying that OT requires a TD. But the points option allows for more variety.)
And isn't your kickoff teams duty to pin the other team back if possible?

and if other team can drive and get FG's at will, why did it take an extra OT to get that FG?

and what if their is wind and a team elects to take the wind?
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:29 PM   #33
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This always gets brought up when a high profile game goes into OT and the team that wins the toss wins by kicking a FG on the first drive in OT.

I DO think they should alter the rules, but I DON'T want to anything close to what they have in college. I don't know that I had heard the suggestion of requiring X amount of points until I heard them discussing a "6 point rule" on Mike and Mike this morning. Essentially the same as what dom suggested but without the safety wrinkle.

Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:30 PM   #34
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Too much abuse on the player's bodies. I want the game to end as quickly as a team can do so - but just not with short drive & FG.
there is talk about adding an extra game to the season but they cant do an extra quarter?
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:30 PM   #35
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the college system is the best.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:32 PM   #36
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if it's so easy to get a FG why dont teams do it every drive, why does first drive of OT make it so much easier to get a FG?
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:33 PM   #37
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if it's so easy to get a FG why dont teams do it every drive, why does first drive of OT make it so much easier to get a FG?
Urgency?
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:34 PM   #38
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there is talk about adding an extra game to the season but they cant do an extra quarter?
Games would take too long, say it's a 1 O'clock game. It would take a half an hour just to get to the 4 O'clock game.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:35 PM   #39
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And isn't your kickoff teams duty to pin the other team back if possible?

and if other team can drive and get FG's at will, why did it take an extra OT to get that FG?

and what if their is wind and a team elects to take the wind?
Yes, who cares, and who cares.

Even if your KO team sticks them at the 20... 40 yards puts you on the 40. that's a 55 yard FG, which is an unlikely shot. If you are on 4th down, and it's the sudden death format ... you may try for the FG (i.e. go for the win). In the other format, you punt and hope to pin them deep, thus getting the ball back with an advantageous field.

Old format, you miss the FG from the 40, your opponent has a short field. And they can go what, 30 yards for a decent FG percentage. OR have to drive 60 yards for a TD.

I'd rather see football, not FG kicking.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:37 PM   #40
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This always gets brought up when a high profile game goes into OT and the team that wins the toss wins by kicking a FG on the first drive in OT.

I DO think they should alter the rules, but I DON'T want to anything close to what they have in college. I don't know that I had heard the suggestion of requiring X amount of points until I heard them discussing a "6 point rule" on Mike and Mike this morning. Essentially the same as what dom suggested but without the safety wrinkle.

Sounds like a good idea to me.
I also caught the Mike & Mike, which started this chain of thought. They had 6 as the magic number, but I like the inclusion of a safety - otherwise it's identical.
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