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**brraverishhh** · 10-15-2007, 05:44 PM

Marino, 252 ints.

Vinny is at what, 261?

I thought you meant how far is Brett behind marino in passing yards.

**Nothatspecial** · 10-15-2007, 05:45 PM

Marino, 252 ints.

Vinny is at what, 261?

and wtf is wrong with Arizona?

they beat Pittsburgh and Seattle, but Grampa Vinny rips 'em up.

**TopcigsCOM** · 10-15-2007, 05:47 PM

I thought you meant how far is Brett behind marino in passing yards.

I did, I thought you were skewing it back around.

Favre's got worse Int/Att rates than Elway, Marino, Montana (and P. Manning), while better than Testaverde and Moon.

The record is due to his longevity, not his particular ability to throw it into coverage.

**DoctorTentonyya** · 10-15-2007, 05:50 PM

I did, I thought you were skewing it back around.

Favre's got worse Int/Att rates than Elway, Marino, Montana (and P. Manning), while better than Testaverde and Moon.

The record is due to his longevity, not his particular ability to throw it into coverage.

exactly.

and if he really sucked at throwing the ball to his own players, he wouldnt have been in the league half as long.

**Fksxneng** · 10-15-2007, 05:58 PM

I did, I thought you were skewing it back around.

Favre's got worse Int/Att rates than Elway, Marino, Montana (and P. Manning), while better than Testaverde and Moon.

The record is due to his longevity, not his particular ability to throw it into coverage.

I'd say its very much a combination of both.

**pKgGpUlF** · 10-15-2007, 06:02 PM

yes its so important that its only been around for less than 30 years in a league thats been around for 88. its not he fucking home run record.

The TD record was only held for 8 years -- does that make that a worthless record as well?

Records are records. Both the good and the bad. One has to accept both.

**kSmica** · 10-15-2007, 06:04 PM

I'd say its very much a combination of both.

If we prorate the Int/Att %'s across the guys I mentioned based on Brett's 8470 attempts, you'd have the following INT counts:

Montana: 218
P. Manning: 236
Marino: 255
Elway: 264
Favre: 279
Moon: 289
Testaverde: 336

The difference between Favre and Elway is 0.177%.

**movlabz** · 10-15-2007, 06:12 PM

If we prorate the Int/Att %'s across the guys I mentioned based on Brett's 8470 attempts, you'd have the following INT counts:

Montana: 218
P. Manning: 236
Marino: 255
Elway: 264
Favre: 279
Moon: 289
Testaverde: 336

The difference between Favre and Elway is 0.177%.

And Favre has about 100 more TDs than Elway.

**Michaelnewerb** · 10-15-2007, 06:17 PM

And Favre has about 100 more TDs than Elway.

123 more - but when prorated for the # of attempts, that drops to a difference of 73 (in favor of Favre).

When we factor in Elway's rushing/receiving TDs, (34 vs 13 for Favre), it closes the gap even further.

**fashikn** · 10-15-2007, 06:18 PM

If we prorate the Int/Att %'s across the guys I mentioned based on Brett's 8470 attempts, you'd have the following INT counts:

Montana: 218
P. Manning: 236
Marino: 255
Elway: 264
Favre: 279
Moon: 289
Testaverde: 336

The difference between Favre and Elway is 0.177%.

Doesn't this just solidify what I just said? Testaverde was never good enough to throw that many attempts. The only people who have thrown about as many passes as him have not had the interception rate he has had.

Also, he could have had the record longer if it wasn't for a punter throwing so many passes.

**espabamar** · 10-15-2007, 06:20 PM

Doesn't this just solidify what I just said? Testaverde was never good enough to throw that many attempts. The only people who have thrown about as many passes as him have not had the interception rate he has had.

Also, he could have had the record longer if it wasn't for a punter throwing so many passes.

It absolutely justifies your comments. However, Testaverde has been around even longer than Brett - just not always in a starters role OR as the primary weapon in an offense.

**WGfg4CCZ** · 10-15-2007, 06:30 PM

The TD record was only held for 8 years -- does that make that a worthless record as well?

Records are records. Both the good and the bad. One has to accept both.

theyve been keeping track of tds since the inception of the forward pass. and where didnt have to accept both? the fact is, the sack record(per season) is no where near as important as a td record(career). I dont know why youre even comparing them.

**Nptxsews** · 10-15-2007, 06:32 PM

I'd say its very much a combination of both.

sure, if by 'very much' you mean a 95:5 ratio, with 95 representing longevity.

**lollypop** · 10-15-2007, 06:35 PM

Doesn't this just solidify what I just said? Testaverde was never good enough to throw that many attempts. The only people who have thrown about as many passes as him have not had the interception rate he has had.

Also, he could have had the record longer if it wasn't for a punter throwing so many passes.

what?

**sesIgnose** · 10-15-2007, 06:37 PM

In comparison:

Blanda
4007 attempts. 277 ints.

That's more than DOUBLE Favre's rate.

And if prorated to Favre's # of attempts, would bring an astronomical 585 int's.

(My favorite Blanda stat line: 1975, his 27th year - 1 for 3, 11 yds, 1 Int)

**DoctorQuquriramba** · 10-15-2007, 06:45 PM

sure, if by 'very much' you mean a 95:5 ratio, with 95 representing longevity.

Um...nope. Itd be more like 60:40. Most years he is right near or at the top of the league in interceptions. That has nothing to do with playing a lot of seasons.

And for your other question, George Blanda was a placekicker (although I said punter) primarily, but played a lot of quarterback as well.

**gvataler** · 10-15-2007, 06:50 PM

Um...nope. Itd be more like 60:40. Most years he is right near or at the top of the league in interceptions. That has nothing to do with playing a lot of seasons.

And for your other question, George Blanda was a placekicker (although I said punter) primarily, but played a lot of quarterback as well.

Favre is also at or near the top in attempts.

More attempts = more ints.

It's the RATIO fo ints/att that matters.

2006 - Packers lead league in attempts/game (39.4). They were middle of the pack with total INTs (18).

**Zhgrlpil** · 10-15-2007, 06:52 PM

Um...nope. Itd be more like 60:40. Most years he is right near or at the top of the league in interceptions. That has nothing to do with playing a lot of seasons.

And for your other question, George Blanda was a placekicker (although I said punter) primarily, but played a lot of quarterback as well.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/BlanGe00.htm

But that's a different era.

**Obsententicab** · 10-15-2007, 06:55 PM

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/BlanGe00.htm

But that's a different era.

Right. He also played some defense. I reference this though because there was a time in which he was used ONLY as a place kicker.

**Irravepem** · 10-15-2007, 06:56 PM

Right. He also played some defense. I reference this though because there was a time in which he was used ONLY as a place kicker.

Place-kicker, 2nd/3rd string QB. Plus defense, for a while.

10-15-2007, 05:44 PM	#61
brraverishhh Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 5,127 Senior Member	Marino, 252 ints. Vinny is at what, 261? I thought you meant how far is Brett behind marino in passing yards. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Nothatspecial Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 574 Senior Member	Marino, 252 ints. Vinny is at what, 261? and wtf is wrong with Arizona? they beat Pittsburgh and Seattle, but Grampa Vinny rips 'em up. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-15-2007, 05:47 PM	#63
TopcigsCOM Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 387 Senior Member	I thought you meant how far is Brett behind marino in passing yards. I did, I thought you were skewing it back around. Favre's got worse Int/Att rates than Elway, Marino, Montana (and P. Manning), while better than Testaverde and Moon. The record is due to his longevity, not his particular ability to throw it into coverage. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-15-2007, 05:50 PM	#64
DoctorTentonyya Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	I did, I thought you were skewing it back around. Favre's got worse Int/Att rates than Elway, Marino, Montana (and P. Manning), while better than Testaverde and Moon. The record is due to his longevity, not his particular ability to throw it into coverage. exactly. and if he really sucked at throwing the ball to his own players, he wouldnt have been in the league half as long. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Fksxneng Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	I did, I thought you were skewing it back around. Favre's got worse Int/Att rates than Elway, Marino, Montana (and P. Manning), while better than Testaverde and Moon. The record is due to his longevity, not his particular ability to throw it into coverage. I'd say its very much a combination of both. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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pKgGpUlF Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 547 Senior Member	yes its so important that its only been around for less than 30 years in a league thats been around for 88. its not he fucking home run record. The TD record was only held for 8 years -- does that make that a worthless record as well? Records are records. Both the good and the bad. One has to accept both. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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kSmica Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 631 Senior Member	I'd say its very much a combination of both. If we prorate the Int/Att %'s across the guys I mentioned based on Brett's 8470 attempts, you'd have the following INT counts: Montana: 218 P. Manning: 236 Marino: 255 Elway: 264 Favre: 279 Moon: 289 Testaverde: 336 The difference between Favre and Elway is 0.177%. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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movlabz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 407 Senior Member	If we prorate the Int/Att %'s across the guys I mentioned based on Brett's 8470 attempts, you'd have the following INT counts: Montana: 218 P. Manning: 236 Marino: 255 Elway: 264 Favre: 279 Moon: 289 Testaverde: 336 The difference between Favre and Elway is 0.177%. And Favre has about 100 more TDs than Elway. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Michaelnewerb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 622 Senior Member	And Favre has about 100 more TDs than Elway. 123 more - but when prorated for the # of attempts, that drops to a difference of 73 (in favor of Favre). When we factor in Elway's rushing/receiving TDs, (34 vs 13 for Favre), it closes the gap even further. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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fashikn Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 377 Senior Member	If we prorate the Int/Att %'s across the guys I mentioned based on Brett's 8470 attempts, you'd have the following INT counts: Montana: 218 P. Manning: 236 Marino: 255 Elway: 264 Favre: 279 Moon: 289 Testaverde: 336 The difference between Favre and Elway is 0.177%. Doesn't this just solidify what I just said? Testaverde was never good enough to throw that many attempts. The only people who have thrown about as many passes as him have not had the interception rate he has had. Also, he could have had the record longer if it wasn't for a punter throwing so many passes. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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espabamar Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 437 Senior Member	Doesn't this just solidify what I just said? Testaverde was never good enough to throw that many attempts. The only people who have thrown about as many passes as him have not had the interception rate he has had. Also, he could have had the record longer if it wasn't for a punter throwing so many passes. It absolutely justifies your comments. However, Testaverde has been around even longer than Brett - just not always in a starters role OR as the primary weapon in an offense. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-15-2007, 06:30 PM	#72
WGfg4CCZ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	The TD record was only held for 8 years -- does that make that a worthless record as well? Records are records. Both the good and the bad. One has to accept both. theyve been keeping track of tds since the inception of the forward pass. and where didnt have to accept both? the fact is, the sack record(per season) is no where near as important as a td record(career). I dont know why youre even comparing them. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-15-2007, 06:32 PM	#73
Nptxsews Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 427 Senior Member	I'd say its very much a combination of both. sure, if by 'very much' you mean a 95:5 ratio, with 95 representing longevity. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-15-2007, 06:35 PM	#74
lollypop Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 341 Senior Member	Doesn't this just solidify what I just said? Testaverde was never good enough to throw that many attempts. The only people who have thrown about as many passes as him have not had the interception rate he has had. Also, he could have had the record longer if it wasn't for a punter throwing so many passes. what? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-15-2007, 06:37 PM	#75
sesIgnose Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 433 Senior Member	In comparison: Blanda 4007 attempts. 277 ints. That's more than DOUBLE Favre's rate. And if prorated to Favre's # of attempts, would bring an astronomical 585 int's. (My favorite Blanda stat line: 1975, his 27th year - 1 for 3, 11 yds, 1 Int) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-15-2007, 06:45 PM	#76
DoctorQuquriramba Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	sure, if by 'very much' you mean a 95:5 ratio, with 95 representing longevity. Um...nope. Itd be more like 60:40. Most years he is right near or at the top of the league in interceptions. That has nothing to do with playing a lot of seasons. And for your other question, George Blanda was a placekicker (although I said punter) primarily, but played a lot of quarterback as well. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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gvataler Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 636 Senior Member	Um...nope. Itd be more like 60:40. Most years he is right near or at the top of the league in interceptions. That has nothing to do with playing a lot of seasons. And for your other question, George Blanda was a placekicker (although I said punter) primarily, but played a lot of quarterback as well. Favre is also at or near the top in attempts. More attempts = more ints. It's the RATIO fo ints/att that matters. 2006 - Packers lead league in attempts/game (39.4). They were middle of the pack with total INTs (18). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Zhgrlpil Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 456 Senior Member	Um...nope. Itd be more like 60:40. Most years he is right near or at the top of the league in interceptions. That has nothing to do with playing a lot of seasons. And for your other question, George Blanda was a placekicker (although I said punter) primarily, but played a lot of quarterback as well. http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/BlanGe00.htm But that's a different era. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-15-2007, 06:55 PM	#79
Obsententicab Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 383 Senior Member	http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/BlanGe00.htm But that's a different era. Right. He also played some defense. I reference this though because there was a time in which he was used ONLY as a place kicker. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Irravepem Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	Right. He also played some defense. I reference this though because there was a time in which he was used ONLY as a place kicker. Place-kicker, 2nd/3rd string QB. Plus defense, for a while. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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