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**piramirra** · 02-01-2006, 10:25 PM

To which I replied the voters are obligated to vote the winner of the BCS championship game the national champion. That's a direct quote from your article.

However, I really don't care. I was just arguing for the sake of argument.

Here's another link to support the worst strong safety in coverage in the NFL:

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_explained.html

What voters?

The AP isn't involved in the BCS. They backed out. Yes, the BCS is going to say that the BCS champion is the champion. This is your source??? I could link Tom Lemming and he'd say that Notre Dame's working on the 16-peat this year.

Who's in charge of college athletics?

The NCAA

Who do they say won the 2003 title?

LSU and USC

That is all.

And George likes vanilla ice cream.

**Ruidselisse** · 02-01-2006, 10:28 PM

Sports Illustrated must be wrong too as they seem to have bothered to issue two covers for that year, one for each of the national titleists.

http://subs.timeinc.net/SI/coverstor...&page_number=9

LSU's the 1 - "Tigers claim BCS Title in Sugar Bowl"

USC's the 1 - "Trojans claim AP Title in Rose Bowl"

If there's only one credited national champion, apparently the NCAA and Sports Illustrated have yet to be informed.

**JonatonM** · 02-01-2006, 10:30 PM

Also on that page, avoid throwing up in your mouth when looking at Mushim Muhammad shooshing Eagles fans in the NFCCG that year.

**Rithlilky** · 02-01-2006, 10:45 PM

What voters?

The AP isn't involved in the BCS. They backed out. Yes, the BCS is going to say that the BCS champion is the champion. This is your source??? I could link Tom Lemming and he'd say that Notre Dame's working on the 16-peat this year.

Who's in charge of college athletics?

The NCAA

Who do they say won the 2003 title?

LSU and USC

That is all.

And George likes vanilla ice cream.

That link actually agreed with you, big guy.

**CuittisIL** · 02-01-2006, 10:46 PM

Sports Illustrated must be wrong too as they seem to have bothered to issue two covers for that year, one for each of the national titleists.

http://subs.timeinc.net/SI/coverstor...&page_number=9

LSU's the 1 - "Tigers claim BCS Title in Sugar Bowl"

USC's the 1 - "Trojans claim AP Title in Rose Bowl"

If there's only one credited national champion, apparently the NCAA and Sports Illustrated have yet to be informed.

Maybe the AP is a state title. Or possibly a county or city title. I'll look into it.

**samanthalueus** · 02-01-2006, 10:47 PM

That link actually agreed with you, big guy.

Outstanding.

So George really does like vanilla ice cream.

**kuzbaslachek** · 02-01-2006, 10:49 PM

From what I've gathered, the NCAA wanted the BCS to be what I thought it is--a game that determines an undisputed champion. However, with a lack of public support and the AP pulling out, they can't really do that. They, on an annual basis, just hope they don't get embarrased too much (like in 2003).

**L6RLnyfl** · 02-01-2006, 11:37 PM

From what I've gathered, the NCAA wanted the BCS to be what I thought it is--a game that determines an undisputed champion. However, with a lack of public support and the AP pulling out, they can't really do that. They, on an annual basis, just hope they don't get embarrased too much (like in 2003).

And this is the system that we will have for at least 4 more years, though it accidentally worked this year.

**exhibeKed** · 03-01-2006, 10:38 PM

Sports Illustrated must be wrong too as they seem to have bothered to issue two covers for that year, one for each of the national titleists.

http://subs.timeinc.net/SI/coverstor...&page_number=9

LSU's the 1 - "Tigers claim BCS Title in Sugar Bowl"

USC's the 1 - "Trojans claim AP Title in Rose Bowl"

If there's only one credited national champion, apparently the NCAA and Sports Illustrated have yet to be informed.

It might just be me, but could this possibly have been an advertisement to get the market of both LSU fans AND USC fans? Of course SI is going to use this to their advantage to sell more magazine subscriptions.

On that note I'm tired of arguing about this. We can agree to disagree.

**jincomplet** · 03-01-2006, 10:40 PM

It might just be me, but could this possibly have been an advertisement to get the market of both LSU fans AND USC fans? Of course SI is going to use this to their advantage to sell more magazine subscriptions.

On that note I'm tired of arguing about this. We can agree to disagree.

The NCAA must be in on this "advertisement", too.

Or you could just admit that you have nothing to support your point like Pit did when he posted his link that supported what I was saying.

Either way.

**ThzinChang** · 03-01-2006, 10:44 PM

The NCAA must be in on this "advertisement", too.

Or you could just admit that you have nothing to support your point like Pit did when he posted his link that supported what I was saying.

Either way.

I've had plenty to support my argument throughout. I'm not going to repeat it all again. The NCAA listing historical data is hardly the evidence that you are making it out to be. So basically you could just agree to disagree like I have....or be an ass. Up to you.

**Nigeopire** · 03-01-2006, 10:45 PM

Wow I thought this argument was done yesterday.

**Eunatis** · 03-01-2006, 11:02 PM

Just feel the need to voice my opinion. Nobody says that the BCS crowns"THE NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPION". They simply crown the BCS Bowl Series Champion. Back in the year in dispute the BCS and the AP were both still very relevant. One team was named BCS champion, the other AP champion. Niether one is the NCAA Champion. Who won the NCAA championship in '97? Nobody, one team won the ESPN Championship, another the AP championship.

I really don't get all the people getting their panties in a twist over this anyway. Why can't people just enjoy the tradition and the game of college football. I really want to see the BCS just go away in lieu of the old Bowl System. I'm sick of hearing about National Champioships at all. If my team has an undefeated season, that should be enough to make me happy, I don't need validation from anybody.

**goldeneggs** · 03-01-2006, 11:05 PM

Just feel the need to voice my opinion. Nobody says that the BCS crowns"THE NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPION". They simply crown the BCS Bowl Series Champion. Back in the year in dispute the BCS and the AP were both still very relevant. One team was named BCS champion, the other AP champion. Niether one is the NCAA Champion. Who won the NCAA championship in '97? Nobody, one team won the ESPN Championship, another the AP championship.

I really don't get all the people getting their panties in a twist over this anyway. Why can't people just enjoy the tradition and the game of college football. I really want to see the BCS just go away in lieu of the old Bowl System. I'm sick of hearing about National Champioships at all. If my team has an undefeated season, that should be enough to make me happy, I don't need validation from anybody.

Well said, it's just arguing semantics and we all just got a bit caught up in it. Why the ASU mascot by the way?

**pinawinekolad** · 03-01-2006, 11:10 PM

Why the ASU mascot by the way?

I get my MBA from Arizona State May 16, 2006 (online program). Plus despite being named Sparky, he's one of the better mascots out there.

It pissed me off watching the game last night. I almost moved there in May, I lived there for about 5 weeks, but got a job offer in Michigan I thought I couldn't turn down. The whole game last night I was annoying people with the "I've been there" and "there's where my apartment was" talk.

I also apparently enjoy rooting for crappy teams. Undergrad Michigan State, MBA Arizona State, and I'm looking at Rutgers or Syracuse for my PhD. On the pro side I grew up a Lions and Tigers fan and don't like Hockey or basketball.

**Ervins Dervish** · 03-01-2006, 11:12 PM

I get my MBA from Arizona State May 16, 2006 (online program). Plus despite being named Sparky, he's one of the better mascots out there.

It pissed me off watching the game last night. I almost moved there in May, I lived there for about 5 weeks, but got a job offer in Michigan I thought I couldn't turn down. The whole game last night I was annoying people with the "I've been there" and "there's where my apartment was" talk.

I also apparently enjoy rooting for crappy teams. Undergrad Michigan State, MBA Arizona State, and I'm looking at Rutgers or Syracuse for my PhD. On the pro side I grew up a Lions and Tigers fan and don't like Hockey or basketball.

I was born May 16, 1987 in Tempe, Arizona. Heh, I was doing the same thing. "My parents lived there, I went there, that's this and that"

**Hoglaunccoolf** · 08-01-2006, 10:38 PM

Wow I thought this argument was done yesterday.

me too and why is this thread in the nfl section?

**kenowinnumberss** · 08-01-2006, 10:50 PM

me too and why is this thread in the nfl section?

It is the NFL Draft, right?

**Mabeavyledlib** · 08-01-2006, 11:13 PM

It is the NFL Draft, right?

You mean Leinart's not a basketball player? We weren't talking about the Hornets?

02-01-2006, 10:25 PM	#61
piramirra Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 640 Senior Member	To which I replied the voters are obligated to vote the winner of the BCS championship game the national champion. That's a direct quote from your article. However, I really don't care. I was just arguing for the sake of argument. Here's another link to support the worst strong safety in coverage in the NFL: http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_explained.html What voters? The AP isn't involved in the BCS. They backed out. Yes, the BCS is going to say that the BCS champion is the champion. This is your source??? I could link Tom Lemming and he'd say that Notre Dame's working on the 16-peat this year. Who's in charge of college athletics? The NCAA Who do they say won the 2003 title? LSU and USC That is all. And George likes vanilla ice cream. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-01-2006, 10:28 PM	#62
Ruidselisse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 488 Senior Member	Sports Illustrated must be wrong too as they seem to have bothered to issue two covers for that year, one for each of the national titleists. http://subs.timeinc.net/SI/coverstor...&page_number=9 LSU's the 1 - "Tigers claim BCS Title in Sugar Bowl" USC's the 1 - "Trojans claim AP Title in Rose Bowl" If there's only one credited national champion, apparently the NCAA and Sports Illustrated have yet to be informed. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-01-2006, 10:30 PM	#63
JonatonM Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	Also on that page, avoid throwing up in your mouth when looking at Mushim Muhammad shooshing Eagles fans in the NFCCG that year. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-01-2006, 10:45 PM	#64
Rithlilky Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 354 Senior Member	What voters? The AP isn't involved in the BCS. They backed out. Yes, the BCS is going to say that the BCS champion is the champion. This is your source??? I could link Tom Lemming and he'd say that Notre Dame's working on the 16-peat this year. Who's in charge of college athletics? The NCAA Who do they say won the 2003 title? LSU and USC That is all. And George likes vanilla ice cream. That link actually agreed with you, big guy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-01-2006, 10:46 PM	#65
CuittisIL Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 726 Senior Member	Sports Illustrated must be wrong too as they seem to have bothered to issue two covers for that year, one for each of the national titleists. http://subs.timeinc.net/SI/coverstor...&page_number=9 LSU's the 1 - "Tigers claim BCS Title in Sugar Bowl" USC's the 1 - "Trojans claim AP Title in Rose Bowl" If there's only one credited national champion, apparently the NCAA and Sports Illustrated have yet to be informed. Maybe the AP is a state title. Or possibly a county or city title. I'll look into it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-01-2006, 10:47 PM	#66
samanthalueus Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 515 Senior Member	That link actually agreed with you, big guy. Outstanding. So George really does like vanilla ice cream. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-01-2006, 10:49 PM	#67
kuzbaslachek Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	From what I've gathered, the NCAA wanted the BCS to be what I thought it is--a game that determines an undisputed champion. However, with a lack of public support and the AP pulling out, they can't really do that. They, on an annual basis, just hope they don't get embarrased too much (like in 2003). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-01-2006, 11:37 PM	#68
L6RLnyfl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 405 Senior Member	From what I've gathered, the NCAA wanted the BCS to be what I thought it is--a game that determines an undisputed champion. However, with a lack of public support and the AP pulling out, they can't really do that. They, on an annual basis, just hope they don't get embarrased too much (like in 2003). And this is the system that we will have for at least 4 more years, though it accidentally worked this year. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2006, 10:38 PM	#69
exhibeKed Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 387 Senior Member	Sports Illustrated must be wrong too as they seem to have bothered to issue two covers for that year, one for each of the national titleists. http://subs.timeinc.net/SI/coverstor...&page_number=9 LSU's the 1 - "Tigers claim BCS Title in Sugar Bowl" USC's the 1 - "Trojans claim AP Title in Rose Bowl" If there's only one credited national champion, apparently the NCAA and Sports Illustrated have yet to be informed. It might just be me, but could this possibly have been an advertisement to get the market of both LSU fans AND USC fans? Of course SI is going to use this to their advantage to sell more magazine subscriptions. On that note I'm tired of arguing about this. We can agree to disagree. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2006, 10:40 PM	#70
jincomplet Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	It might just be me, but could this possibly have been an advertisement to get the market of both LSU fans AND USC fans? Of course SI is going to use this to their advantage to sell more magazine subscriptions. On that note I'm tired of arguing about this. We can agree to disagree. The NCAA must be in on this "advertisement", too. Or you could just admit that you have nothing to support your point like Pit did when he posted his link that supported what I was saying. Either way. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2006, 10:44 PM	#71
ThzinChang Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 508 Senior Member	The NCAA must be in on this "advertisement", too. Or you could just admit that you have nothing to support your point like Pit did when he posted his link that supported what I was saying. Either way. I've had plenty to support my argument throughout. I'm not going to repeat it all again. The NCAA listing historical data is hardly the evidence that you are making it out to be. So basically you could just agree to disagree like I have....or be an ass. Up to you. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2006, 10:45 PM	#72
Nigeopire Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 422 Senior Member	Wow I thought this argument was done yesterday. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2006, 11:02 PM	#73
Eunatis Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 507 Senior Member	Just feel the need to voice my opinion. Nobody says that the BCS crowns"THE NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPION". They simply crown the BCS Bowl Series Champion. Back in the year in dispute the BCS and the AP were both still very relevant. One team was named BCS champion, the other AP champion. Niether one is the NCAA Champion. Who won the NCAA championship in '97? Nobody, one team won the ESPN Championship, another the AP championship. I really don't get all the people getting their panties in a twist over this anyway. Why can't people just enjoy the tradition and the game of college football. I really want to see the BCS just go away in lieu of the old Bowl System. I'm sick of hearing about National Champioships at all. If my team has an undefeated season, that should be enough to make me happy, I don't need validation from anybody. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2006, 11:05 PM	#74
goldeneggs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 413 Senior Member	Just feel the need to voice my opinion. Nobody says that the BCS crowns"THE NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPION". They simply crown the BCS Bowl Series Champion. Back in the year in dispute the BCS and the AP were both still very relevant. One team was named BCS champion, the other AP champion. Niether one is the NCAA Champion. Who won the NCAA championship in '97? Nobody, one team won the ESPN Championship, another the AP championship. I really don't get all the people getting their panties in a twist over this anyway. Why can't people just enjoy the tradition and the game of college football. I really want to see the BCS just go away in lieu of the old Bowl System. I'm sick of hearing about National Champioships at all. If my team has an undefeated season, that should be enough to make me happy, I don't need validation from anybody. Well said, it's just arguing semantics and we all just got a bit caught up in it. Why the ASU mascot by the way? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2006, 11:10 PM	#75
pinawinekolad Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 377 Senior Member	Why the ASU mascot by the way? I get my MBA from Arizona State May 16, 2006 (online program). Plus despite being named Sparky, he's one of the better mascots out there. It pissed me off watching the game last night. I almost moved there in May, I lived there for about 5 weeks, but got a job offer in Michigan I thought I couldn't turn down. The whole game last night I was annoying people with the "I've been there" and "there's where my apartment was" talk. I also apparently enjoy rooting for crappy teams. Undergrad Michigan State, MBA Arizona State, and I'm looking at Rutgers or Syracuse for my PhD. On the pro side I grew up a Lions and Tigers fan and don't like Hockey or basketball. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-01-2006, 11:12 PM	#76
Ervins Dervish Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 381 Senior Member	I get my MBA from Arizona State May 16, 2006 (online program). Plus despite being named Sparky, he's one of the better mascots out there. It pissed me off watching the game last night. I almost moved there in May, I lived there for about 5 weeks, but got a job offer in Michigan I thought I couldn't turn down. The whole game last night I was annoying people with the "I've been there" and "there's where my apartment was" talk. I also apparently enjoy rooting for crappy teams. Undergrad Michigan State, MBA Arizona State, and I'm looking at Rutgers or Syracuse for my PhD. On the pro side I grew up a Lions and Tigers fan and don't like Hockey or basketball. I was born May 16, 1987 in Tempe, Arizona. Heh, I was doing the same thing. "My parents lived there, I went there, that's this and that" Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-01-2006, 10:38 PM	#77
Hoglaunccoolf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 451 Senior Member	Wow I thought this argument was done yesterday. me too and why is this thread in the nfl section? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-01-2006, 10:50 PM	#78
kenowinnumberss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 458 Senior Member	me too and why is this thread in the nfl section? It is the NFL Draft, right? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-01-2006, 11:13 PM	#79
Mabeavyledlib Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	It is the NFL Draft, right? You mean Leinart's not a basketball player? We weren't talking about the Hornets? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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