[PhillipHer]

Bholenath is sanskrit word for Lird Shiva, Bhole (Universe) Nath(god) , implying God of universe

You are right, in Sanskrit Bhole (Universe) Nath(god) , implying God of universe. But Shiva devotees used that word to denote Shiva. AFAIK, Bole-naath = Innocent Lord, because of Shiva's attitude towards giving boons to one and all . Bole-nna universennu artham irukka?

Love and Light.

[PhillipHer]

Brought forward

[Lillie_Steins]

Saying this itself is a blasphemy for some.

All in all, these points have been raised before. I don't see many people changing their minds because of these. Its far more complicated, you know.

Love and Light.

Hence it should be understood that no Religion in this World is superior to the other, as all these Religions worship finally to the 'One and only' Ultimate - the "God Supreme"

[Lt_Apple]

'One and only' Ultimate - the "God Supreme"

All will accept this ..but everybody will argue that the one they worship is the real GOD supreme.

[Beerinkol]

"The Universal Truth of "God Supreme"

The "God Supreme" of the religions that sprung from India and of the other world religions - "is none but one"

In India the "God Supreme" of no specific form or name was given many different 'forms' and 'names' by various "Hindu Religious Beliefs" - as God Siva (Shiva) in Saivaism, as God Vishnu in Vaishnavaism, Goddess Sakthi in Saktham, God Kanapathi in Kanapathiyam, God Skanda in Kaumaram, and as God Agni in Vedism - (collectively known as "Hinduism") - and was worshiped by Hindus from the time immemorial.

The above God Forms never took birth in this world in human forms. Hence they were called by the prefix title (the) "God"

However in Vaishnavaism it was further considered that God Vishnu took ten incarnations in this world, among which are the incarnations as Lord Rama and Lord Krishna.

The Jainism and Buddhism preached by Lord Mahaveer and Lord Buddha - being two other religions of India, upheld the principle of non-existance of God. Sikism recognised "God Supreme" as the Guru (Preacher) to the mankind.

Among the world religions - the Islamic religion referred to the "God Supreme" of no specific form or name as "Allah", and Prophet Mohammad as the Messenger of the "God Supreme".

The Christian religion referred to Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of the "God Supreme" of no specific form or name. The Judaism too recognised the existance of the "God Supreme" of no specific form or name.

Hence it should be understood that - "no Religion in this World is superior to the other," as all these Religions worship finally to the 'One and only' Ultimate - the "God Supreme"

[Big A]

Anbu,

neenga enga ponaalum "its far more complicated"nu solreenga I guess ungala madhiri post panradhu mattum thaan romba simple

[Lillie_Steins]

Haha.. yes of course.

Point is that questions of religion, spiritual experience, the science of the universe etc (i post only in such topics ) are not like quite like 1+1 = 2. Its always misleading to simpify truths in these areas to such an extent.

Of course, the paths to the truths may be simplified so, but never the truths. Those are better left untalked and unsaid, until realisation dawns. Stressing this is my only aim .

As the proverb goes, kattrathu kai man alavu, kallaalathathu ulagalavu illaya? That too in spiritual, religious issues, where 'information' is of no use.

Love and Light.

Anbu,

neenga enga ponaalum "its far more complicated"nu solreenga I guess ungala madhiri post panradhu mattum thaan romba simple

[LottiFurmann]

Haha.. yes of course.

Point is that questions of religion, spiritual experience, the science of the universe etc (i post only in such topics ) are not like quite like 1+1 = 2. Its always misleading to simpify truths in these areas to such an extent.

then.. when will u explain?? any DVDs to explain?? how will we ordinary souls get to understand god and religion.. dont u feel responsibility to enlighthen us???

As the proverb goes, kattrathu kai man alavu, kallaalathathu ulagalavu illaya? That too in spiritual, religious issues, where 'information' is of no use.

Love and Light.

kattrathu kai alavu,
kallaalathathu KAMAL alavu ..

[MannoFr]

NO!

I am not responsible for giving explanations to anyone. Why should I care about you or anyone other than myself ? I share what I have learnt and experienced with people only when it is joyful for me to do it, and when I do it that way, the joy of sharing is enough for me and hence I don't care a damn about whether the message gets through to them or what they think about it.

It is best for each of us to find our own truth, not to merely imitate another's ideas. For getting to our own truth, there are simple methods which have been advocated ( see here: http://mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=11396, the last post of mine) , and they are everyone's property. If you want to find your own truth, practice them, they don't cost anything other than a few hours a week and some sincerity. If you don't care about them and look for people to explain spirituality, then I am afraid I can't help you, and no one can. This is a journey where people can only remind you of the way , but the journey is ultimately personal and must be traversed alone.

And by the way, Believing is Seeing, rather than the contrary. If you believe anyone is an 'ordinary' soul who doesn't understand these things, or that I or anyone is somehow 'higher' because I or that someone does understand, so it will be, for you! I don't care about these anyway, there is no such thing as ordinary, higher, lower etc..in my world. Anyway for that matter, I happen to think you are just pulling my leg here.. LOL.

Kallaathathu Kamal Alavu.. LOL .

Love and Light.

Originally Posted by anbu_kathir Haha.. yes of course.

Point is that questions of religion, spiritual experience, the science of the universe etc (i post only in such topics ) are not like quite like 1+1 = 2. Its always misleading to simpify truths in these areas to such an extent.

then.. when will u explain?? any DVDs to explain?? how will we ordinary souls get to understand god and religion.. dont u feel responsibility to enlighthen us???

As the proverb goes, kattrathu kai man alavu, kallaalathathu ulagalavu illaya? That too in spiritual, religious issues, where 'information' is of no use.

Love and Light.

kattrathu kai alavu,
kallaalathathu KAMAL alavu ..

[doctorzlo]

You know what I like in discussions like this ? Nobody fails. Nobody is wrong. So feel free to say anything you like. If you never said anything in all your life, this is the topic you can try and practice telling something and still walk out that you were never wrong.
You will see responses ranging from approval to agrression.
()

[tgs]

Is there a 'discussion' here? The thread starter said something and left. That was the end of it, I guess.

Love and Light.

You know what I like in discussions like this ? Nobody fails. Nobody is wrong. So feel free to say anything you like. If you never said anything in all your life, this is the topic you can try and practice telling something and still walk out that you were never wrong.
You will see responses ranging from approval to agrression.
()

[Drugmachine]

Is there a 'discussion' here? The thread starter said something and left. That was the end of it, I guess.

Love and Light.

How can you say that ? Vijay has just laid table. Cant you hear the bulls are rubbing the floor outside the room ? Wait till they join us.

Meanwhile ..

Vijay ..who are these "Hindus" ?

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

That was done a month ago and I don't see people responding.

Love and Light.

Originally Posted by anbu_kathir Is there a 'discussion' here? The thread starter said something and left. That was the end of it, I guess.

Love and Light.

How can you say that ? Vijay has just laid table. Cant you hear the bulls are rubbing the floor outside the room ? Wait till they join us.

[Lt_Apple]

If you believe anyone is an 'ordinary' soul who doesn't understand these things, or that I or anyone is somehow 'higher' because I or that someone does understand, so it will be, for you! I don't care about these anyway, there is no such thing as ordinary, higher, lower etc..in my world.

[Fegasderty]

So many religions.. but why is there always Master-Servant rhetoric ? Why is the Supreme .. Almighty stuff ? Why is "worship" instead of "homeage" or "respect" or "just hello .. or a bye" , even assuming that there is "One" ? Does "The Supreme Being" expect that I worship him ?

Could He or She actually was a creature from more advanced Culture that was alien to the society ? What if "God the Supreme" is already lost along with that culture, leaving behind only "knowledge" ? (Like Veda, Genesis, Scriptures etc)

Why so many "He" and very few 'shes" in the religions mentioned ? Is that because of too much testosterone in the religion ? Is it a proof that "The Supreme" is in man's imagination only ?


And not to mention "The Supreme Being" are realized by those who lived in the past and some belief is always needed .. cannot be seen and can only be realized .. rhetorics.

Even assuming he is for real and he is found out .. (just like some people claiming to have discovered anti-matter,black hole etc) what happens next ? Does our relationship with him change ? Will we still revere him ?

[brraverishhh]

HI pizzalot, I shall try to share my opinion based on how little I know.

Anbuk kathir and others who are much more wiser can guide me wherever I am wrong.

So many religions.. but why is there always Master-Servant rhetoric ? Why is the Supreme .. Almighty stuff ?

Because one is complete or realised and other is not so!
The master servant theory is for ppl in different steps of realisation.


Why is "worship" instead of "homeage" or "respect" or "just hello .. or a bye" , even assuming that there is "One" ? Does "The Supreme Being" expect that I worship him ? No you need not worship. You can just say hello or hi or talk to the
so called supreme thing. There is nothing like 'something is supreme and other is not'. Definitely it does not EXPECT you to worship .

suppose,

human + knowlege = wise person
human - knowledge = Ignorant person

human however REMAINS the same and IS THE SAME with or without knowledge.

So, the supreme being and the ordinary beings are ESSENTIALLY the same. Application of knowledge is limited or lacks in the ordinary beings.

Could He or She actually was a creature from more advanced Culture that was alien to the society ? What if "God the Supreme" is already lost along with that culture, leaving behind only "knowledge" ? (Like Veda, Genesis, Scriptures etc) There is NOTHING SEPERATELY called GOD, which u can term as HE OR SHE or a creature.

GOD is plain EXISTENCE.

Why so many "He" and very few 'shes" in the religions mentioned ? Is that because of too much testosterone in the religion ? Is it a proof that "The Supreme" is in man's imagination only ? God is NATURE. Most hes and shes are PERSONIFICATIONS of nature.

And not to mention "The Supreme Being" are realized by those who lived in the past and some belief is always needed .. Right here, in this world, in current era, THERE ARE REALISED souls. They just dont say it out or talk about it (because it cannot be explained theoritically it has to experienced)

cannot be seen and can only be realized .. rhetorics. yes. Its ITS AN EXPERIENCE, not an entity

Even assuming he is for real and he is found out .. (just like some people claiming to have discovered anti-matter,black hole etc) what happens next ? Does our relationship with him change ? Will we still revere him ? We become THAT. Where is the question of revering something when EVERYTHING around is just THE SAME THING

[TorryJens]

Thanks Shakthi. Actually I know there is no correct answer. The ideas was to see how differently you see things based on your experience.

Now another question. God= Existance. God=Me. So I always existed, correct ?

So did I exist before birth ? As what ?

[HedgeYourBets]

So did I exist before birth ? As what ?

Answers may be given. But how do we know if it is true or false? What logic would one apply to it?

Love and Light.

[Slonopotam845]

Found this interesting!

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Co...d_Dialogues/VI

[TorryJens]

Found this interesting!

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Co...d_Dialogues/VI

" The case of ordinary Jivas is like that of the salt - doll which attempting to sound the depths of the ocean melted into it. Do you see? The sum and substance of it is -- you have only got to know that you are Eternal Brahman. "

Aaha...only Masters can put it so eloquently.

Love and Light.