[Paul Bunyan]

"Hindu Kush Montain" how many of us knows that the meaning of this is "Blood of Hindu". That mountain, which is today in afganisthan was washed with the bloods of Hindu that it has been names as Hindu Khush (khush mean blood in turkish and an accnet of Farsi)and this has been purposfully, delebarately shadowed in the name of secualrism

Strange thing, I was just reading about this yesterday.

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_histor...indu_kush.html

http://www.hvk.org/articles/0401/64.html

[S.T.D.]

Thanks to Shivaji southern india was left untouched........

That is not true, not to denigrade The great Maratha leader, he was instrumental in preventing one form of chuvanism in what we call as Maharastra now. The imapct of islam is pretty minimal in south basically because of the very strong cultural identity in the south, be it the Tamil/telugu/kannada/malayalam land. Also thanks to many reasons like, relatively stable kingdoms in the south, the language disconnect between the north and south, vindhyas terrain, tiredness of the invaders etc.

Since we are talking of the invaders and the genocide in India, I am surprised by the non inclusion of the references about the genocide in Rig veda that were commited on the Indians by the invading vedics.

I am not going to refute your claims. shivaji's reign coincided with that of aurangazeb. and its well known fact aurangazeb was the most orthodox , intolerant ruler in the mughal dynasty.(He jailed his father and killed one of his brothers to ascend the throne) shivaji thwarted every attempt made by aurangazeb to conquer southern India. aurangazeb followed the policy of forced conversion and torture with more rigour than any of his predecessors. The martyrdom of guru Tegh bahadur singh is also attributed to him.I don't agree with you that the Vindhyas are more formidable than the giant himalayas. None of the muslim rulers were virtuous. Be it ghori or ghazni or tughlaq or mughals. They were hell bent on propagating their own religion. Thats why we south indians owe a lot to shivaji.

[radikal]

Looks like the Hindus of the North were not at all good soldiers. Everytime an invading force came, they fell!! We are not talking of individual bravery like of that Shivaji but of the armies.

There was some inherent weakness in them. Can any one of our brothers here idenify the weakness?

It seems Alexander the Great also knew of this weakness of the North Indians!!

[NeroASERCH]

Looks like the Hindus of the North were not at all good soldiers. Everytime an invading force came, they fell!! We are not talking of individual bravery like of that Shivaji but of the armies.

There was some inherent weakness in them. Can any one of our brothers here idenify the weakness?

It seems Alexander the Great also knew of this weakness of the North Indians!!

Correctly said bismala....it was not only in the north, it was all over the Bharatham, that weakness existed...the weakness is jealousy and enmity and that weakness continues to exist even now....

[Lt_Apple]

Correctly said bismala....it was not only in the north, it was all over the Bharatham, that weakness existed...the weakness is jealousy and enmity and that weakness continues to exist even now....

Also, might I add, complacency/over-confidence?

[LottiFurmann]

There was some inherent weakness in them. Can any one of our brothers here idenify the weakness?

mala: First, you have to understand that there was no India as we know it today before independence. Even when the British ruled there were princely states that had their own laws except for paying taxes to the British. That was also true when the moguls ruled. The Moguls and the British were good at playing one princely state against the other in exchange for 'protection' and expansion of a favored princely state. When India became independent most of the princely states acceded to the union. Maharaja of Kashmir was wavering which lead to ' Kashmir problem'. Travancore Maharaja was said to have considered declaring independence. Nizam of Hyderabad flatly refused and took his case to UN security council. India had to march its army into the state of Hyderabad to defeat Nizam's army. It was under force the Nizam acceded. Now, you know the weakness. Simply put, there was no unity in diversity. In other words, Indian princes (maharajas,rajas and other feudal lords) did not learn from Mogul experience. For them 'enemy's enemy was a friend'.

That also means genocide was not by moguls alone. One Hindu princely state was killing citizens of another princely state with the support of moguls !

[Paul Bunyan]

That also means genocide was not by moguls alone. One Hindu princely state was killing citizens of another princely state with the support of moguls !

I think I differ only in this stmt rajaraj. I accept to the rest....Though the king od one princely state is enemy of the other, the citizens were allowed to pass freely....The RajaDharma at that time was, whatever may be the Princely State, that if there is a war, it is between the kings and NOT with the citizens.....I think, every state adhered to this principle....It was only Mughals and Turkish, who started attacking poor citizens......

Finally, India was not one country in the recent past, but was culturally one.....Infact, our motto was not "Unity in Diversity, It was Diversity inpite of Unity".

[HedgeYourBets]

Originally Posted by srivatsan Correctly said bismala....it was not only in the north, it was all over the Bharatham, that weakness existed...the weakness is jealousy and enmity and that weakness continues to exist even now....

Also, might I add, complacency/over-confidence? ummmmmm.....but complacency or over confidence didn't find much place in our history. May be it is culture or Dharma which was our weakness. For example, if PrithiviRaj had Finished Ghori when he was defeated by Rajput Army and was left a prisoner, the history would have been very differernt. There Prithivi's Yuddha Dharma, was his weakness....

But, above all, jealosy and greediness was the main weakness....

[radikal]

Lack of Unity amoung Hindus is the main weakness, which still exists today.

In the case of Pritviraj Maharaj:

He defeated Gori, and let him go, since he his Yudha Dharma didn't let him fight an opponent who didn't have a weapon. Gori later on came back with a more powerful army and defeated Pritviraj, dug his eyes out, and on the way to Afghanistan, the blind Rajput manages to send an arrow into Gori's chest.

But even in his case, Pritviraj could have defeated Gori the second time also, if he had his Father In Law's Support, which he didn't due to Personal Feuds. So again, Lack of Unity.

PS: Alexander The Great's Army fell to the Hindu King "Purushothaman" aka Poris.

[LottiFurmann]

In the case of Pritviraj Maharaj:

He defeated Gori, and let him go, since he his Yudha Dharma didn't let him fight an opponent who didn't have a weapon. Gori later on came back with a more powerful army and defeated Pritviraj, dug his eyes out, and on the way to Afghanistan, the blind Rajput manages to send an arrow into Gori's chest.

Wow! P'raj sounds like one amazing dude!
Suri machi, u sure hav gr8 'gyaan' abt Indian history for sumone who'd studied in India only upto the 3rd grade!

PS: Alexander The Great's Army fell to the Hindu King "Purushothaman" aka Poris. *digr* This is partly my late granpa's name too!

/digr

[Ifroham4]

Gori later on came back with a more powerful army and defeated Pritviraj, dug his eyes out, and on the way to Afghanistan, the blind Rajput manages to send an arrow into Gori's chest.

Small correction Surya....Ghori didnt come up with a more powerful army...but this time he attacked the army campments of Prthiviraj, in the early morning (around 4 AM)before the Sunrise....which was un-imaginable for the warriors of Bharatha Desham....infact, to an extant, our own Dharma was our weakness....we were sure that the opponent will be as good as us....it was a mistake....

[radikal]

the blind Rajput manages to send an arrow into Gori's chest.

For this act of P'Raj, he is still getting kicks from Afgani's foot. Yes this is a ritual....after P'Raj was beheaded, he was burried at the entrance of "Ghori's Mausoluem" (or memorial mosque) and every one who visits that Mosque for a prayer, will have to go and kick the "Samaadhi" of Prithivi........Look at the plight of a Great King....

[Beerinkol]

Dear Raghu

I beg to differ, it was the Persian Invaders , invented the word Hindus, when they invaded Bharath those days, they found the Indus Civilisation along the Indus Valley, these invaders could not pronounce the word 'Indu', so they pronounced it as 'Hindu'. Do you really thing that Indus valley was invaded by Persians ?
What is the proof ?

Do you really think that anciant 'Harappans' called themselves Indus ?

Raghu , it seems that Indus civilisation disapeard because the Saraswati river disapeard. There was never a so-called Aryan invasion as propaganted by Europeans. Nobody found any proofs of this invasion.

[PhillipHer]

dear bis_mala,

It seems Alexander the Great also knew of this weakness of the North Indians!! Where do you get this information ?
Many source told that Alexander was defeated at the Indian border... So i think that North Indians defeated him...

[Beerinkol]

Lamby Machiii...
Thanks! Uhm...4th grade Actually. :P Yup P'raj is one of the most well known Rajputs.

Srivatsan,
Thanks for the correction.

For this act of P'Raj, he is still getting kicks from Afgani's foot. Yes this is a ritual....after P'Raj was beheaded, he was burried at the entrance of "Ghori's Mausoluem" (or memorial mosque) and every one who visits that Mosque for a prayer, will have to go and kick the "Samaadhi" of Prithivi........Look at the plight of a Great King....

Yup, I read an article written by AMR, he also stated that the afghanis also spit on his grave. He claims that he along with many other Indians have written countless letters to different departments of the Indian Govt to make efforts to bring the remaining parts of Pritviraj Maharaj to India, but it seems that the different departments just didn't care enough.

[9mm_fan]

Dear Raghu

I beg to differ, it was the Persian Invaders , invented the word Hindus, when they invaded Bharath those days, they found the Indus Civilisation along the Indus Valley, these invaders could not pronounce the word 'Indu', so they pronounced it as 'Hindu'.

Do you really thing that Indus valley was invaded by Persians ?
What is the proof ?

Do you really think that anciant 'Harappans' called themselves Indus ?

Raghu , it seems that Indus civilisation disapeard because the Saraswati river disapeard. There was never a so-called Aryan invasion as propaganted by Europeans. Nobody found any proofs of this invasion.

Mr. Eelavar,
I agree with the AIT thing, but I think, if I'm not mistaken, that Raghu Ji was talking about the Persians starting with Mohammed of Ghazini and not the so-called Aryans.

[Fegasderty]

Surya,

Thanks for the enlightment, you got the point.

But i have still a question , where the word 'Indu' that the Persians couldn't pronouce come from ?
It's why i asked the question do the Harrapans call themselves Indu ?

Something is not rational, i have a doubt but i don't know what !

[tgs]

Nobody will accept or speak about this, even when this is this 200% true....

If you are going to speak about this, you will be termed as a communal force or a hindu fanatic.....even our moderate firends will ask "OK.. it has happened, what are you going to do now"?

This country, Bharatham.... has a very very wrong perception about secularism.....No leader (90% of citizens) have the NUTS, to aceept this....what Muslims did (and in some places doing) with this country is absolutely 100% wrong......and attrocious......and unforgivable crime......and our leader are colluders....including M.K. Gandhi.

I will continue with my arguments.....if at all this thread has the mercy of Moderoators and admins....to continue to live.

[Lillie_Steins]

I'm quite Pleasantly Surpriced that this thread has been started and has sucessfully moved on to it's 2nd page!

Thanks to Shivaji southern india was left untouched.

Actually, When speaking about Hindu Genocide, it is impossible to not mention Chatrapathi Shivaji Maharaj, and when Speaking about the Chatrapathi, it is impossible to not mention the Hindu Genocide that has taken place in India starting with Muhamad of Ghazni.

I started a thread on Sivaji a while back, but haven't had the time to continue. Hopefully after I get through my Finals in May, I'll be back to that thread.

So far I had written about the Massacre @ Somnath Temple by Gazini and his forces.

(The Legacy Of Chatrapathy Sivaji Maharaj)

http://www.forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/v...t=4893&start=0

[softy54534]

WHO ARE THE HINDUS?

Let’s say it right away: there are no Hindus… This word was invented by European colonizers Dear Eelavar,

I beg to differ, it was the Persian Invaders , invented the word Hindus, when they invaded Bharath those days, they found the Indus Civilisation along the Indus Valley, these invaders could not pronounce the word 'Indu', so they pronounced it as 'Hindu'.